Momentum comparing between two bodies

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around comparing the momentum of two objects with different masses (m and 2m) when a force is applied to both. The original poster attempts to determine which object has greater momentum and to understand the relationship between their momenta, particularly noting that 2m has √2 times more momentum than m.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of mass and acceleration on momentum, questioning whether the times taken by each mass to cover a distance are the same. There are discussions about using kinematic equations to clarify the relationship between force, mass, and momentum.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and suggestions for further exploration. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions about time and acceleration, and some participants are encouraged to articulate their reasoning more clearly. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the effects of mass on momentum.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of different times taken by the two masses to cover the same distance, which was not initially included in the problem statement. This aspect is under discussion and may affect the understanding of momentum in this context.

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Homework Statement



There are two objects m and 2m and Force F is applied on both objects. They move a certain distance X. Which one have greater momentum and find out 2m has √2 times more momentum than m.

Homework Equations



momentum P=mv

The Attempt at a Solution


2m has greater momentum than m because P=2m*v and second question's answer, I do not know
 
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robax25 said:
2m has greater momentum than m because P=2m*v ...
Not necessarily. That would be the case if the velocities were the same. How about figuring out the acceleration of each mass and writing down some relevant kinematic equations?
 
impusle j=F*t,, as 2m has bigger mas than m. it takes more time to overcome certain distance x and so 2m has greater impulse than m. mv=F*t , it has greater momentum than m
 
The problem with this answer is that assumes the times are the same. As I posted earlier, how about finding some accelerations and writing down some kinematic equations?
 
no, it ( question) says they have different time t. i do not post all conditions there.
 
robax25 said:
no, it ( question) says they have different tme t.
That's not in the statement of the problem that you posted, but I agree that the times are different. Can you give a clearer explanation than "it takes more time to overcome certain distance x" why the time for the 2m mass is longer? Also, to get the quantitative factor of ##\sqrt{2}## for the second question, you must write down kinematic equations.
 
kuruman said:
That's not in the statement of the problem that you posted, but I agree that the times are different. Can you give a clearer explanation than "it takes more time to overcome certain distance x" why the time for the 2m mass is longer? Also, to get the quantitative factor of ##\sqrt{2}## for the second question, you must write down kinematic equations.
you give me some hints and I get my result.
 
Hints:
kuruman said:
How about figuring out the acceleration of each mass and writing down some relevant kinematic equations?
kuruman said:
As I posted earlier, how about finding some accelerations and writing down some kinematic equations?
kuruman said:
Also, to get the quantitative factor of ##\sqrt{2}## for the second question, you must write down kinematic equations.
:rolleyes:
 
robax25 said:
impusle j=F*t,, as 2m has bigger mas than m. it takes more time to overcome certain distance x and so 2m has greater impulse than m. mv=F*t , it has greater momentum than m

kuruman said:
The problem with this answer is that assumes the times are the same. As I posted earlier, how about finding some accelerations and writing down some kinematic equations?
Robax25's argument is valid. The distances are the same, the 2m will have the lower acceleration so take longer to cover that distance, and momentum is integral of F with time it will acquire the greater momentum.
The next step is to quantify it by putting equations to that argument.
 
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haruspex said:
... the 2m will have the lower acceleration ...
This is precisely what I hoped OP would understand and enunciate from the start.
 
  • #11
kuruman said:
This is precisely what I hoped OP would understand and enunciate from the start.
I merely paraphrased post #3 to demonstrate the OP had already got this.
 

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