Momentum conservation - particle collision

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of momentum in a particle collision scenario involving alpha particles and a proton directed at a stationary lithium target. Participants are examining how momentum is conserved in both horizontal and vertical directions during the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the conservation of momentum, particularly questioning how vertical momentum is conserved when the alpha particles move in opposite directions. There are discussions about the implications of horizontal momentum and the role of external forces.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the momentum conservation principle. Some have offered insights regarding the absorption of horizontal momentum by the foil, while others express confusion about the implications of equal and opposite momentum in relation to the initial conditions of the system.

Contextual Notes

There are concerns about the clarity of the provided diagram and how it may affect the understanding of momentum directions. Participants are also reflecting on potential exam questions related to the topic.

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Working out how momentum is consered in this situation,...

I know that the mass of an alpha particle is 4*mass of proton...however, I am still slighly concerned because the alpha particles move in opposite vertical directions hence their momenta cancel...how is momentum conserved here (I know that horizontal momentum is conserved but how is vertical momentum conserved)??
 
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From the picture, the alpha particles don't seem to quite move in opposite directions. In any case, the horizontal momentum is absorbed by the foil, and ultimately by what's holding the foil in place.
 
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From the picture, the alpha particles don't seem to quite move in opposite directions. In any case, the horizontal momentum is absorbed by the foil, and ultimately by what's holding the foil in place.

but you cannot deny both alpha particles have horizontal momenta (but they must cancel to conserve linear momentum)...I guess that if the examiners were to ask a question about this in my exam they would make the diagram clearer...or they would simply ask me what I knew about the momenta of the particles.

Would the following answer be correct:

"As no external forces act the total momentum is conserved. Therefore the two alpha particles must move in opposite horizontal directions to conserve horizontal momentum. The total vertical momentum of both alpha particles must be equal in magnitude AND direction to the momentum of the proton"
 
I have drawn a blue line to show that the vertical momentum are in different directions...
 

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"A proton is directed at a stationairy lithium target. The law of conservation of momentum states that the two alpha particles must have equal and opposite momentum"

How does this conserve momentum? If they are equal and opposite, it implies total momentum after is zero BUT total momentum before is not zero...what is going on?
 

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