Momentum, Energy, and Spring problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a mass resting on a vertical spring and another mass dropped onto it, raising questions about the resulting oscillations and energy conservation. The subject area includes concepts of momentum, energy, and spring mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating initial compression of the spring, the velocity of the falling mass, and the conservation of momentum. There are questions about the relationship between energy conservation and the mechanics of the collision.

Discussion Status

Some participants have attempted calculations but express uncertainty about their results. There is acknowledgment of differing answers and a recognition of mistakes made in the approach to energy conservation. Guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is a test question with a provided answer key, which has led to confusion regarding the expected outcome. Several participants are collaborating to understand the problem better.

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Homework Statement



A mass of .5kg is resting on a vertical spring with a force constant of 55N/m. A mass of .25kg is dropped from a height of 12 cm onto the larger mass and sticks to it. What is the amplitude of the resulting oscillations?

Homework Equations



p=mv; m_1v_1 + m_2v_2 = (Mtot)V_f; mgh=1/2mv^2 + 1/2kA^2
V^2=V_o^2 + 2ay

The Attempt at a Solution



I really have no idea how to solve this problem. The answer is 5.97cm, but nothing I came up with is even close to that.

I started off by calculating the initial compression of the spring, since there's a weight resting atop it. F=kx; came out to 8.9cm.

Next, I calculated the velocity of the falling mass as it strikes the resting mass, and got 1.5344 m/s.

Next, I used that velocity in my conservation of momentum calculation and found the velocity of the combined mass velocity to be .5115 m/s.

Finally, I did mgh = .5mv^2 = .5kA^2, and A comes out to 0.0845m, or 8.45cm.

I calculated the initial compression, but didn't use it, and I suspect that has something to do with this, but I just can't seem to wrap my head around it. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
 
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I get x=6.97cm.

But you said it should be 5.97cm, right?
 
Rick88 said:
I get x=6.97cm.

But you said it should be 5.97cm, right?

This was a test question that I missed. The professor released the answer key so we could study for the final (which is this evening), and the answer is 5.97cm. At any rate, 6.97 was not a choice.
 
Oh yeah, I made a mistake.
I'll look into it.
 
Appreciate it. several of my classmates are trying as well, but none of us seem to get it.
 
find the final velocity of both masses together after the 250 hits the 750 and then use
.5mv^2 = .5kA^2
 
oops I meant the .25kg hits the .5 kg
 
That did the trick, thanks! And now I understand what I was doing wrong. I was conserving energy as if it were an elastic collision, thus setting E_i to mgh and E_f to .5mv^2 + .5kA^2. I appreciate the help!
 

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