Momentum of Block A and B Colliding

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The discussion revolves around the collision of two blocks, A and B, with a focus on their momentum changes and kinetic energy. Block A has an initial positive velocity, while block B starts at rest. After the collision, block A's velocity becomes negative, and the final velocity of block B is unknown. The relationship between the masses of the blocks is given as Mb = 3Ma.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the change in momentum for both blocks and questions how to determine which block experiences a larger change. Some participants question the validity of the calculations and the assumptions regarding signs and units. Others explore the relationship between momentum and kinetic energy in the context of the collision.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the calculations and the underlying principles of momentum and energy. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the signs in momentum calculations and the implications of kinetic energy conservation. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a clear consensus yet.

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There is a mention of confusion regarding the use of variables and the need for specified units in calculations. The discussion also touches on the implications of kinetic energy changes before and after the collision, which may affect the understanding of momentum changes.

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Homework Statement


The whole problem is in variables, which tends to confuse me a little.

We have two blocks that collide, Ma and Mb. Initially Ma experiences a positive velocity. Mb experiences a 0 velocity. Finally, Ma experiences a negative velocity, while we do not yet know Mb's final velocity. Mb=3Ma

Find which one of the blocks (if either) has a larger change in the magnitude of the momentum. Explain.
If the initial speed of block A is 20 m/s and the final speed is 5 m/s. What is the final velocity of block b?
In which case, if either, does block a exert a larger impulse on block b?

Homework Equations


p=mv
m1v1=m2v2

The Attempt at a Solution


1)[/B] I'm not sure how I would calculate variables with a change in magnitude any further than this
ΔPa= -MaVaf-MaVai= -2
ΔPb= MbVb-0=MbVb
So, block A has the larger change in the magnitude of the momentum since it would change by 2MaVa, while block B changes by 1MbVb.

2) Pai+Pbi=Paf+Pbf
Ma(20m/s) +0=Ma(-5m/s)+ 3MaVbf
divide Ma out of the left side, and the rest of the Ma's cancel.
20m/s= -5m/s+3Vbf
25m/s=3Vbf
Vbf=8.3m/s

3)
I'm not sure how to calculate this. I know Impulse= J= Δp, and I know that block A overall exerts the greater magnitude of momentum. I guess for "which case" it must mean initial or final. I think in the final case block A would be exerting a greater impulse on block b because that's when block B actually has a velocity and moves from the impact of block a. But I am not sure how that relates to Δp, if we aren't dealing with both the initial and final, rather just one "case".
 
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Tim Wellens said:
ΔPa= -MaVaf-MaVai= -2
How can you say it equals -2? You don't even have any specified units, let alone any numeric values yet.
Think about signs. What should the signs look like when you take the difference between two values?

To answer this part of the question you will need to think about energy. What do you know about the total kinetic energy before and after?
 
I was just kind of thinking about it in terms of -1 - 1. The sign of MaVaf is negative, the sign of MaVai is positive.
In terms of kinetic energy, both -MaVaf and MaVai would have positive kinetic energy due to the block being in motion. Block B would initially have zero kinetic energy, but finally would have positive kinetic energy. So, in total there would be more kinetic energy in the final case due to both block A and B being in motion.
 
Tim Wellens said:
I was just kind of thinking about it in terms of -1 - 1. The sign of MaVaf is negative, the sign of MaVai is positive.
In terms of kinetic energy, both -MaVaf and MaVai would have positive kinetic energy due to the block being in motion. Block B would initially have zero kinetic energy, but finally would have positive kinetic energy. So, in total there would be more kinetic energy in the final case due to both block A and B being in motion.
The change in momentum is final momentum - initial momentum, i.e. mass x (final velocity - initial velocity). Yes, the velocity values will have opposite signs, but that doesn't change the algebraic equation.

Kinetic energy is always non-negative, but the total cannot increase. You need to use that fact to answer this question.
 

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