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The discussion revolves around the properties and homomorphisms of quotient groups, specifically Q/Z, and involves proving certain characteristics of subgroups and exploring homomorphisms between groups such as Z/nZ and Q/Z.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the nature of homomorphisms from Q/Z to Z, questioning the implications of element orders and the behavior of specific elements under homomorphisms.
  • Some participants suggest considering familiar groups isomorphic to Q/Z to aid understanding.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of adding elements in Q/Z and how that relates to the image under a homomorphism.

Discussion Status

Participants have raised insightful questions and provided guidance regarding the nature of homomorphisms, particularly noting that the only homomorphism from Q/Z to Z appears to map all elements to zero. There is ongoing exploration of the third problem, with some participants seeking further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about homomorphism theorems and their applications, indicating a need for foundational understanding in this area.

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Homework Statement


The last parts of the problems were:
1. prove that for each natural n, the additive quotient group Q/Z contains a one and only subgroup of order n and that sub-group is cyclic.
2. let G,H be two finite sub-groups of Q/Z. prove that G is contained in H if and only if
o(G)|o(H).
3. find all homomorphisms from Z/nZ to Q/Z.
but I've no clue how to start with the 4th part:
4. find all homomorphisms from Q/Z to Z...

TNX for all the helpers...


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For number 4, consider a nonzero element of Q/Z. You can represent it by a rational n/m with n and m integers. If you add n/m to itself m times, you get 0 in Q/Z. What does that tell you about the image of n/m under the homomorphism?
 
For the first one, try finding a more familiar group that's isomorphic to Q/Z (hint: think complex)
 
Dick said:
For number 4, consider a nonzero element of Q/Z. You can represent it by a rational n/m with n and m integers. If you add n/m to itself m times, you get 0 in Q/Z. What does that tell you about the image of n/m under the homomorphism?

Let n/m+Z be a nonzero element of the quo. group. the order of this element if m (if we assume that gcd (n,m)=1) . the image of n/m under the homo. has to be an element in Z of order m. But in Z, which element has order m?? how come this is the only homo. possible?

Help is needed :(

TNX !
 
If phi is your homomorphism, it doesn't really say phi(n/m) has order m. It says phi(n/m)*m=0. The only integer satisfying that is 0. So phi(n/m)=0, for all elements of Q/Z. That's why it's the only homomorphism possible.
 
so the homo is:
each and every element in Q/Z goes to 0?

TNX
 
TheForumLord said:
so the homo is:
each and every element in Q/Z goes to 0?

TNX

What else could it be?
 
right...Tnx a lot! Hope you'll be able to help me in my next thread too...
 
Can you please give me directions about the 3rd one?I
I'm pretty lame in all the Homomorphism theorems...

TNX again
 
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Just start thinking about it. If you know what the image of the element '1' in Z/nZ is, then you know the rest of the homomorphism. What are the possibilities?
 
  • #11
The image of "1" in Z/nZ (which is of course "n" or "0" ) can be each and every one of the generators of the sub-groups from order n...I've proved that there's only one sub-group of order n in Q/Z and it's cyclic...Each one of it's generators are from the form i/n... Am I on the right track?

TNX a lot!
 
  • #12
Z/nZ={0,1,2,...n-1}. '1' doesn't mean 0 or n. It means 1. But yes, every element of Z/nZ has order n, so the image of an element i under the homomorphism has to satisfy phi(i)*n=0 in Q/Z. That makes it one of the i/n, sure.
 
  • #13
TNX a lot man...You were very helpful!
 

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