Electropioneer said:
Thanks for the reply analogdesign.
First of all, i know what you are saying, but I believe you misunderstood me.
I appreciate the detailed reply. I disagree with much of what you wrote, but I suspect it is a confusion based on terminology. Throughout your reply you appear to be confusing the linear and saturations regions of MOSFETs.
Electropioneer said:
1) If you look at I-V diagrams of both types of transistors, then yes MOSFET's saturation region corresponds to active region of BJT. However, that is inherently bad analogy since MOSFET is voltage controlled, and BJT is current controlled device. Difference will be obvious in a minute
This I mostly agree with. In my opinion forward active is pretty similar to saturation in MOSFETs with the big caveat that the equation for the gm is very different (i.e the current output of a BJT is exponentially related to the small-signal input voltage, while in a MOSFET the relationship is quadratic).
Electropioneer said:
2) You would never want to use any transistor as a switch in linear region.
You are 100% wrong in this, but I suspect it is a question of terminology. THe convention is that the linear region is when Vgs is greater than Vt and Vds is less than (Vgs-Vt). In this case the MOSFET is operating as a linear resistor. To use this MOSFET as a switch, Vgs is made as large as possible to minimize Ron (Ron = 1/gm). The desired value of Ron for the switch determines its size. This is not a very linear resistor as the source voltage varies, so sometimes you put PMOS and NMOS devices in parallel to make a switch called a transmission gate.
I believe you know this, but confused about the term "linear region" when applied to MOSFETs. You are aware of course, that in CMOS digital logic at a given instant the devices are either in cutoff or they are deep in the linear region, correct? You don't have large static current in digital CMOS because every device in linear region has a corresponding device in cutoff which blocks the DC current path.
Electropioneer said:
) Ohm's law functions as is. It doesn't matter if you are talking about transistors of any type, diodes, resistors, switches, coils, capacitors or connectors. Power that any device will dissipate is equal to product of voltage across that device and current that flows trough it. For example a simple diode has a constant voltage drop of 0.6v across PN junction, no matter the intensity of current, so applying the ohm's law you would conclude that resistance of diode changes with changing current, and we call that dynamic resistance. Most transistors are the same.
I disagree with you here. In my opinion you're confusing the definition of power with Ohm's law. To be clear, here is Wikipedia's definition of Ohm's law:
"Ohm's law states that the current through a conductor between two points is directly proportional to the potential difference across the two points."
In your own example, you state that "For example a simple diode has a constant voltage drop of 0.6v across PN junction, no matter the intensity of current, so applying the ohm's law you would conclude that resistance of diode changes with changing current, and we call that dynamic resistance."
By your own example the diode does not follow Ohm's law. The dynamic resistance is not a real, physical resistance, but a mathematic convention we invent to describe the behavior of the device.
If the current through a device is not directly proportional to the voltage across it, the device does not follow Ohm's law. End of story. So while it is obvious you understand how a diode works, I don't think you are applying Ohm's law correctly here.
Electropioneer said:
I gave few examples where MOSFET is used in linear mode. In electronic load example mosfet is most certainly used in linear mode, since the point is to load the circuit to an extent you wish.
Another even more popular example would be in analog integrated circuits, MOSFETs are used as Active Resistors.
The thing with resistors is that it is really hard to produce them in silicon substrate to be used in an integrated circuit. However resistors are the basic components, can't do much electronics without them. So instead of producing resistors where they are needed we put a transistor and make it work in linear region. It's not hard actually just short circuit base and collector (or gate and source). This is the simplest example. There are number of simple blocks of circuits that use MOSFETs in linear mode, especially in analog ICs, like current mirrors, temperature stabilizers etc etc.
I respectfully submit you are a bit out of your element when you start discussing ICs. Your assertions that "The thing with resistors is that it is really hard to produce them in silicon substrate to be used in an integrated circuit" and "So instead of producing resistors where they are needed we put a transistor and make it work in linear region" are obsolete.
Since at least the mid to late 70s integrated resistors have been commonplace. I am an analog IC designer by profession and I have never worked on a chip that didn't have some combination of P and N-doped polysilcion resistors and N and/or P-type diffusion resistors available for use. For high-current applications people also use interconnect metals as resistors.
The main use of a MOSFET in the linear region as a resistor is in situations where you can use feedback to vary the value of the resistance in an analog way. And example of this is the zero setting resistor in the Miller Compensation network of a two-stage op amp. In that case, you can arrange the feedback such that across process and temperature variation the resistance of the MOSFET in the linear region tracks the gm of the common-source device in the second stage, as desired for stability. I should point out that when I'm designing a Miller op amp I never do this. It is simpler and typically good enough to just use a poly resistor of value 1/gm of the expected gm of the common-source device.
Electropioneer said:
There are number of simple blocks of circuits that use MOSFETs in linear mode, especially in analog ICs, like current mirrors, temperature stabilizers etc etc.
This statement is what leads me to believe that you are confused between linear and saturation modes in MOSFETs. The entire point of a current mirror is that the output current is constant even as the output voltage varies over a large range. This is the output resistance of the mirror and ideally it is infinite. By definition a MOSFET operating in the linear range has a current that is proportional to its output voltage so it is easy to see linear mode MOSFETs are not appropriate in a current mirror.
I assure you that the devices in a well-functioning current mirror are operating in saturation. In fact, in order to give them a high output resistance we typically operate the devices deep in saturation. What that means is we choose a gate voltage such that Vgs-vt is large. This has the tradeoff that it limits the output swing of the current mirror but it makes it act more ideal.
I suspect we are much closer to each other in our understanding that it appears, but it is very important in engineering to get the terminology clear.