Motion of a system that has two masses and three pulleys

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The discussion revolves around a physics homework problem involving two masses and three pulleys, focusing on drawing free body diagrams (FBDs) and understanding forces. The user struggles to identify the normal force and the impact of tension on the masses. Participants emphasize that they cannot assist without the user providing their own attempts at the problem. The conversation highlights the importance of showing effort in solving the problem independently before seeking help. Overall, the thread underscores the necessity of understanding the forces at play in the system.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I couldn't draw the freebody diagram. There's this weight of mass m, which is mg, downwards from m and there's tension T to upwards. This T affects mass M in the +x direction, but how could i find out the normal force? Also, the top left pulley is moving with mass M. Is there another tension T that impacts mass M in the +x direction?
Sorry for my bad English. Hope you could understand well enough to assist.
 

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HI,

Unfortunately, PF guidelines make it impossible for us to assist (note: to assist, not to answer) unless you post your own attempt...
 
BvU said:
HI,

Unfortunately, PF guidelines make it impossible for us to assist (note: to assist, not to answer) unless you post your own attempt...

Hey, I edited. Could you please assist me? I kinda obsessed with that problem.
 
Mert Kerem Yavuz said:
draw the freebody diagram
for m ? for M ? for one of the pulleys ?
Mert Kerem Yavuz said:
another tension T that impacts mass M in the +x direction?
The one rope attached to m is not pulling in the horizontal direction (which I assume is your x direction ?)
 
BvU said:
for m ? for M ? for one of the pulleys ?
The one rope attached to m is not pulling in the horizontal direction (which I assume is your x direction ?)
For both of the pulleys.
I actually mean the rope is pulling "M" in the direction of +x, which is right to the horizontal.
 
Mert Kerem Yavuz said:
both of the pulleys
I see three of them :wink:, but I agree the one on the left is not very interesting.

For the others: A tension T to the left, the same tension T upward for the lower one and downward for the upper one. Since they are going nowhere, the sum of forces for each of the two must be zero -- meaning there is another force to keep them in place. Not so complicated, I would say :rolleyes:
 
Mert Kerem Yavuz said:
I actually mean the rope is pulling "M" in the direction of +x
I thought I read an "m" there :confused:

It is. Twice.
 
BvU said:
I see three of them :wink:, but I agree the one on the left is not very interesting.

For the others: A tension T to the left, the same tension T upward for the lower one and downward for the upper one. Since they are going nowhere, the sum of forces for each of the two must be zero -- meaning there is another force to keep them in place. Not so complicated, I would say :rolleyes:
Hey, I miswrote. I actually want to draw free body diagram for m and M. Not for the pulleys.
 
:-p

Well, if there is a tension T on the pulleys pulling them to the left, then on the lefthand side the rope is pulling with a tension T to the right !
 
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BvU said:
:-p

Well, if there is a tension T on the pulleys pulling them to the left, then on the lefthand side the rope is pulling with a tension T to the right !
I need to see the diagram, probably. With normal force and such. Because I can't see the simple explanation, unfortunately. :mad:
 
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Mert Kerem Yavuz said:
I need to see the diagram, probably
?:) PF is not about having your work done for you: you have to do it yourself. Shoot off your proposal and solicit comments !
 
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Mert Kerem Yavuz said:
I need to see the diagram, probably. With normal force and such. Because I can't see the simple explanation, unfortunately. :mad:
We do not draw FBDs for you. Please show more effort on this schoolwork problem of yours, or the thread will be closed. Thank you.
 

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