Motion of Block Down an Inclined Plane with Friction

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The discussion centers on the motion of a block down an inclined plane with friction, where the user derived a solution but is unsure of its correctness. The user defined the axes and calculated the forces acting on the block, including weight, normal force, and kinetic friction. They derived energy equations relating gravitational potential energy, elastic potential energy, kinetic energy, and work done by friction, leading to a quadratic equation for the spring compression. The user found two solutions for the compression distance, with one being negative and the other positive, and sought confirmation on the validity of their approach. Responses indicated that the positive solution is indeed the correct answer for the problem.
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I managed to derive a solution, however, it doesn't seem to give me the correct answer. Here is what i did:

I first defined my positive x-axis to go down the slope and my positive y-axis to be upward and normal to the slope. The forces acting on the block before it hits the spring are:

<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \overrightarrow W = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {mg\sin \theta } \\<br /> { - mg\cos \theta } \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) \\ <br /> \overrightarrow N = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 0 \\<br /> {mg\cos \theta } \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) \\ <br /> \overrightarrow F = - \mu _k \left| {\overrightarrow N } \right|\frac{{\overrightarrow v }}{{\left| {\overrightarrow v } \right|}} = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> { - \mu _k mg\cos \theta } \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) \\ <br /> \end{array}<br />

Where W is the weight, F is the kinetic friction and N is the normal force.

As it moves down the slope and compresses the spring, it will lost gravitational potential energy, gain elastic potential energy, lose kinetic energy and lose energy due to friction.

<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \Delta V_g = mg\Delta h = - mg(\Delta x + \delta )\sin \theta \\ <br /> \Delta V_e = \frac{1}{2}k\Delta (x^2 ) = \frac{1}{2}k(\Delta x)^2 \\ <br /> \Delta T = - \frac{1}{2}mv^2 \\ <br /> W_{friction} = - \mu _k mg(\delta + \Delta x)\cos \theta \\ <br /> \end{array}<br />

Where Vg/e are the gravitational/elastic potential energies, T is the kinetic energy and Wfriction is the work done by the friction on the block i.e. energy lost due to friction. Delta x is the compression of the spring, so delta x + delta is the total distance down the slope which the block will move.

Since energy is conserved within the system:

<br /> W_{friction} = \Delta T + \Delta V_g + \Delta V_e <br />

Substituting my expressions for the different energies into this gives me a quadratic equation in delta x, which has the following solution:

<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \Delta x = \frac{{ - B \pm \sqrt {B^2 - 4AC} }}{{2A}} \\ <br /> \\ <br /> A = 0.5k \\ <br /> B = mg(\mu _k \cos \theta - \sin \theta ) \\ <br /> C = mg\delta (\mu _k \cos \theta - \sin \theta ) - 0.5mv^2 \\ <br /> \end{array}<br />

Anyone see if I am doing anything wrong?

Thanks in advance,
Dan.
 
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Plugging my values into my solution i get -0.256 and 0.286. I would think that id take the latter as my solution since I've treated delta x as a positive quantity through out the derivation of my solution.
 
Hi danago,

That looks right to me; the positive solution would be the answer you wanted for this problem.
 
Thanks for the reply :smile: The working just got a little messy so i thought perhaps i had made an algebraic error, but i guess the solution given to me could always be at fault.
 
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