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The discussion revolves around the analysis of electric fields generated by two point charges, specifically focusing on the relationship between the angles and the derived equations. The original poster attempts to understand discrepancies in their calculations related to the angle derived from the arccos function.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the vector components of electric fields and the implications of angle calculations. The original poster raises a question about the sign of the value within the arccos function and its effect on the resulting angle.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on considering the direction of electric fields and the signs of their components. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion regarding the angle calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the underlying issue.

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The original poster refers to a practice version of the problem, indicating a potential reliance on provided answers that may influence their understanding of the current problem. There is also a mention of angles summing to 180 degrees, which may suggest a geometric consideration in the problem setup.

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I was successful with finding a solution. But, only because I tried the practice version of that (where you can see the answers) and noticed the equation I derived gave angles that, when summed with the correct answer, yielded 180*.

Can someone tell me why?

START:

Since Bead 1 is stationary, we know its electric field will be in the direction of the positive x axis.

E_{1} = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}} \frac{q_{1}}{r^{2}} \hat{i}

While Bear 2 can be moved, thus its field will be a function of theta.

E_{1} = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}} \frac{q_{2}}{r^{2}}cos(\theta) \hat{i} + \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}} \frac{q_{2}}{r^{2}}sin(\theta) \hat{j}

Thus, we add these two vector equations together for net E, and take the magnitude. After a bit of algebra we get:

E^{2}(4\pi\epsilon_{0})^{2} = q^{2}_{1} + 2q_{1}q_{2}cos(\theta) + q^{2}_{2}cos^{2}(\theta) + q^{2}_{2}sin^{2}(\theta)

By factoring out the q2 squared and noting the trigonometric identity,

E^{2}(4\pi\epsilon_{0})^{2} = q^{2}_{1} + 2q_{1}q_{2}cos(\theta) + q^{2}_{2}

E^{2}(4\pi\epsilon_{0})^{2} - q^{2}_{1}- q^{2}_{2}= 2q_{1}q_{2}cos(\theta)


\frac{E^{2}(4\pi\epsilon_{0})^{2} - q^{2}_{1}- q^{2}_{2}}{2q_{1}q_{2}}= cos(\theta)

For a final formula of:

arccos(\frac{E^{2}(4\pi\epsilon_{0})^{2} - q^{2}_{1}- q^{2}_{2}}{2q_{1}q_{2}}) = \theta


However, the value of the number within the arccos function is the negative of what it should be.

This gives me the answer correctly:

arccos(- \frac{E^{2}(4\pi\epsilon_{0})^{2} - q^{2}_{1}- q^{2}_{2}}{2q_{1}q_{2}}) = \theta

Why?
 

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1MileCrash said:
E_{1} = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}} \frac{q_{2}}{r^{2}}cos(\theta) \hat{i} + \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}} \frac{q_{2}}{r^{2}}sin(\theta) \hat{j}

Consider the direction of the electric field of bead 2 and decide on the signs of its x and y components.
 
I think I understand you.

While cos(45) is positive, at an angle 45 B's electric field is pointing down and towards the left.

Right?
 
Yes :smile:
 
Thank you very much.
 

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