Multiple integral with substitution

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The discussion centers on evaluating multiple integrals with substitution, specifically focusing on the substitution of y2 for L-x2-d. The integrals are defined with specific bounds: from 0 to L-2d for the first integral, from x1+d to L-d for the second, and from x2 to L for the third. A key point of confusion arises regarding the reversal of bounds after substitution, clarified by the relationship dy2 = -dx2, which indicates that reversing the limits of integration is necessary when substituting variables.

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Homework Statement


This is going to be confusing to read, as I don't know how to make this look right. The first integral is from 0 to L-2d, the second from x1+d to L-d, and the third from x2 to L. (F(x)=1)

1.) 0\intL-2d,x1+d\intL-d,x2+d\intL dx3dx2dx1


2.) 0\intL-2d,x1+d\intL-d (L-x2-d)dx2dx1

3.) substituting y2 for L-x2-d

4.) 0\intL-2d,0\intL-X1-2d y2dy2dx1

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The Attempt at a Solution


The answer to this isn't that important, as I already have the solution. What I don't understand is why after substituting y2, the upper and lower bounds of the corresponding integral aren't the other way around, with L-x1-2d the lower bound, and 0 the upper. Is this because dy2=-dx2? Probably, but I just want to make sure I understand what's going on.
 
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mlarson9000 said:

Homework Statement


This is going to be confusing to read, as I don't know how to make this look right. The first integral is from 0 to L-2d, the second from x1+d to L-d, and the third from x2 to L. (F(x)=1)

1.) 0\intL-2d,x1+d\intL-d,x2+d\intL dx3dx2dx1
So this is
\int_0^{L-2d}\int_{x_1+d}^{L-d}\int_{x_2+d}^L dx1dx2dx3?
(You say above "the third from x2 to L" but have "x2+ d" in the integral)
Click on the LaTex to see the code.


2.) 0\intL-2d,x1+d\intL-d (L-x2-d)dx2dx1.
Okay, good.

3.) substituting y2 for L-x2-d

4.) 0\intL-2d,0\intL-X1-2d y2dy2dx1

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The Attempt at a Solution


The answer to this isn't that important, as I already have the solution. What I don't understand is why after substituting y2, the upper and lower bounds of the corresponding integral aren't the other way around, with L-x1-2d the lower bound, and 0 the upper. Is this because dy2=-dx2? Probably, but I just want to make sure I understand what's going on.
If y2= L- x2- d, then when x2= L-d, the upper limit, y2= L-(L-d)-d= L-L+d-d= 0. When x2= x1+ d, the lower limit, y2= L- (x1+d)-d= L-x1-d-d= L- x1- 2d.

However, just as you say, dy2= -dx2 and :
\int_a^b f(x)dx= -\int_b^a f(x)dx

Taking that "-" out reverses the limits of integration.
 
eugh!

Either use the X2 and X2 tags just above the Reply box …

0L-2d

or type \int_{}^{} in LaTeX …

\int_{0}^{L-2d} :smile:

Hi mlarson9000! :smile:
mlarson9000 said:
… What I don't understand is why after substituting y2, the upper and lower bounds of the corresponding integral aren't the other way around, with L-x1-2d the lower bound, and 0 the upper. Is this because dy2=-dx2? Probably, but I just want to make sure I understand what's going on.

Yes, it's because dy2 = -dx2

but I personally think that's badly and confusingly written :frown:, and the author should have kept the limits the same way up, and put a minus in front of the integral.
 

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