Mutual Inductance Problem: Find V(t)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a mutual inductance problem involving a circuit with two inductors, a DC power source, and resistors. Participants are trying to determine the output voltage Vout(t) across one of the resistors, considering the behavior of the circuit before and after a switch is opened at t=0.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the circuit configuration and the initial conditions, noting that the switch has been closed for a long time before t=0, allowing the inductors to become fully fluxed.
  • Another participant questions whether the switch is closed at t=0, seeking clarification on the initial conditions.
  • There are multiple hypotheses regarding the voltage V(t<0), including the possibility that V(t<0) could be 0 due to no current flowing, or 12V if the inductors act as short circuits, or a voltage divider scenario between the two resistors.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of mutual inductance in the circuit when the switch is opened.
  • One participant acknowledges that their understanding of the problem will change based on the clarification provided by another member.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value of V(t<0) or the role of mutual inductance in the circuit. Multiple competing views remain regarding the behavior of the circuit before and after the switch is opened.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with assumptions about the behavior of inductors in the circuit and the effects of mutual inductance, but these assumptions are not fully resolved or agreed upon.

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This problem is tougher than I though and I'm stuck on a couple of things.

Homework Statement


There are 2 inductors, a DC power source, 2 resistors, and a switch. The circuit looks just like the image I've attached, except it will have a switch on the left of the first resistor and the values are different. sorry about that.
The DC source is 12V
The inductors are 4H, and 16H, respectively (L1 and L2).
The resistors are 12Ω and 48Ω, respectively(R1 and R2).
K=1
The switch is open for a long period of time previous to t=0 (inductors fluxed), and opened at t=0.
The problem is to find Vout(t). In the image attached, Vout would be the voltage across R2.


Homework Equations


K=M/sqrt(L1*L2). since K is given as 1, M is sqrt(L1*L2), which is 8H.



The Attempt at a Solution


I initially set up the loops using KVL. For the left hand side of the circuit I got:
12 = (12+s4)I1 - 8sI2

and for the right:
0 = -8I1 + (48+s16)I2

from this, the system determinant can be found, and I2 can then be found.
I am stuck right now is the switch though.
for finding V(t<0), the inductors are fluxed, thus acting as short circuits. Does this mean that the mutual inductance will come into play or can be neglected? I have thought of a couple different possibilities.
V(t<0) = 0 because the inductors are not electrically connected and no current is flowing?
V(t<0) = 12 because the inductors are acting as short circuits, and the mutual inductance will appear to be a short circuit as well, making the voltage on the left and right side of the circuit the same?
V(t<0) = a voltage divider between the two resistors if the above ^ applies?

I also need to find to V(t>=0) but the questions above should help me with that.


Thanks in advance for any help.
 

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The switch is open for a long period of time previous to t=0 (inductors fluxed), and opened at t=0.
The problem is to find Vout(t). In the image attached, Vout would be the voltage across R2.

Do you mean its closed at t=0?

V(t<0) = 0 because the inductors are not electrically connected and no current is flowing?

I think this is the case we're dealing with, hopefully another member can confirm my suspicions.
 
jegues said:
Do you mean its closed at t=0?
Sorry about that, i meant the switch is CLOSED previous to t=0 for a long time, making the inductors fully fluxed. really all of the cases make sense to me, and I've been searching for a definitive answer but haven't found one. thanks for the opinion.
 
bobbyw said:
Sorry about that, i meant the switch is CLOSED previous to t=0 for a long time, making the inductors fully fluxed.


really all of the cases make sense to me, and I've been searching for a definitive answer but haven't found one. thanks for the opinion.

My answer is going to change now based on how you clarified the question. Let me think about it and I will get back to you.
 

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