My professor takes manual attendance for 150+ students

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So at the beginning of every lecture, my professor calls out our names one by one to take attendance because attendance/participation is 15% of our grade, even though there are over 150 registered students in this lecture hall.. :(
 

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Maybe he should set up a RFID Reader on his podium and have everyone pass by it instead.
 
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How long does that take? Assuming 5 seconds per name, including the in-between, that is more than 10 minutes.
 
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Seems like a waste of time. Out of curiosity, how old is your professor?
 
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Perhaps that's his way of protesting that he has to teach such large classes.
 
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Perhaps that's his way of protesting that he has to teach such large classes.
But why make the students pay, even if that is the reason the prof is doing that? I doubt it is their fault . If I was going to take a class with someone whom I knew did that, I would ask everyone in the class to change their name into a much longer one, like Joseph Robert Andrew Lorenzo Charles Jackson-Garcia D'Angelo. That should put the prof. out of breath after around 30 names.
 
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How long does that take? Assuming 5 seconds per name, including the in-between, that is more than 10 minutes.
I haven't been able to time it because no cell phones are allowed in class and I don't have a watch. But I am able to review the entire day's lecture by the time he finishes, which is sort of good I guess so I can familiarize myself with the material beforehand (even though I do it before every lecture anyway).


Seems like a waste of time. Out of curiosity, how old is your professor?
Around 40 maybe?
 
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Maybe he should set up a RFID Reader on his podium and have everyone pass by it instead.
Better yet, put together that system (or barcode, or whatever is on your student IDs), and give it to him as a present (& extra credit project). :biggrin:
 
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Another option that he has is to ask clicker questions in class.
 
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Another option that he has is to ask clicker questions in class.
I doubt our destitute school would ever approve of funding that, even if it was for one class. We can't even afford projectors for our lecture halls
 
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But why make the students pay, even if that is the reason the prof is doing that? I doubt it is their fault . If I was going to take a class with someone whom I knew did that, I would ask everyone in the class to change their name into a much longer one, like Joseph Robert Andrew Lorenzo Charles Jackson-Garcia D'Angelo. That should put the prof. out of breath after around 30 names.
Would a ten minute snap quiz to hand in at the end of the lecture be a waste of student time or being making them pay? Professor could evaluate the quizes as 15% of grade.

I don't see how sitting for 10 minutes and waiting is a waste of time, Make the best of it.
 
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Would a ten minute snap quiz to hand in at the end of the lecture be a waste of student time or being making them pay? Professor could evaluate the quizes as 15% of grade.

I don't see how sitting for 10 minutes and waiting is a waste of time, Make the best of it.
Because at least a ten minute quiz at the end seems like it motivates the students to study or pay attention. This is ten minutes of sitting listening to names being called. I think this is almost objectively a waste of everyone's time.
 
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Because at least a ten minute quiz at the end seems like it motivates the students to study or pay attention. This is ten minutes of sitting listening to names being called. I think this is almost objectively a waste of everyone's time.
This is all a subjective argument about waste of time.

If the professor would start the class 10 minutes later, without a role call, the students would then be in a position to make "better" use of that ten minutes. Would they?

I think it is nitpicking on what this one professor does, since all of the other professors do not.
If role calling was standard for all classes, the argument would go away.

One waits for the bus, the doctor, the line-up in the bank, the taxi, the traffic, the red light.
A measly ten minutes for role call seems hardly something to gripe about.
 
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How many lectures has he done this for?
 
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How long does that take? Assuming 5 seconds per name, including the in-between, that is more than 10 minutes.
well considering there's only a ~ 15% attendance/participation probably not very long to count at all :wink:

Dave
 
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Look on the bright side.

Now when you pass her in the quad you can say "Hello miss "????" " to that beautiful girl who sits a couple rows ahead of you.

Good luck.

Y8AuCrUJWQI [/youtube] old jim
 
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This is all a subjective argument about waste of time.

If the professor would start the class 10 minutes later, without a role call, the students would then be in a position to make "better" use of that ten minutes. Would they?

I think it is nitpicking on what this one professor does, since all of the other professors do not.
If role calling was standard for all classes, the argument would go away.

One waits for the bus, the doctor, the line-up in the bank, the taxi, the traffic, the red light.
A measly ten minutes for role call seems hardly something to gripe about.
And if the class lasts an hour they are wasting 13% of the class on calling roll. Instead, if they used that time to lecture, the students would receive (conservatively) at least 10% more lecture from the professor. Presumably the students are paying for lecture time from the professor and so this guy is wasting their money. Other professors don't call roll because it's a stupid idea that has no place in a college classroom.
 
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This is all a subjective argument about waste of time.

If the professor would start the class 10 minutes later, without a role call, the students would then be in a position to make "better" use of that ten minutes. Would they?

I think it is nitpicking on what this one professor does, since all of the other professors do not.
If role calling was standard for all classes, the argument would go away.

One waits for the bus, the doctor, the line-up in the bank, the taxi, the traffic, the red light.
A measly ten minutes for role call seems hardly something to gripe about.
I agree with ZombieFeynman, this is not a good argument.

What about 11 minutes? 12? 20?

Students are paying money to go to lectures and be taught. The professor is there to instruct, not to babysit. I understand the idea of ensuring students are there (and in university I had professors do this with quizzes or clicker questions), but to waste 10 minutes or more of class time calling role? No, that is a waste of the students' time and money.

What to do about it? I don't know, probably nothing, just learn to deal with it. Sometimes there are crummy situations in life which you can't do much about.
 
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attendance/participation is 15% of our grade
What?? How on Earth does that make sense! 15% would jump your grade where I'm from and you get that just for turning up?!
 
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Another option that he has is to ask clicker questions in class.
My uni used to do this for the first years to count the attendance at the lectures. While the electronic clicker system is still in operation, they no longer take attendance because they found that students would give the clickers to their peers to register attendance for them. It confuses me that people go to such a bother. Surely by uni stage you have developed an interest for your subject and are mature enough to not care for these 'canny' tactics?
 
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I guess this is just what happens when you perform poorly in secondary school and are forced to matriculate in a low-tier college after being rejected everywhere else. Even my admissions counselor at my current institution asked me twice if I was sure I wanted to attend this school because she said she's never seen anyone with such a high GPA even apply to this school before, which surprised me because even a 4.0 at a community college around here is not that difficult to achieve and I thought everyone pretty much had around the same grades.

I accept my punishment though, and I try to make the best of the situation even though the course options are severely limited due to low faculty numbers and all the classes occur at the same time, everyone treats you like a grade-schooler, and we even have the yellow schoolbuses that I had to ride back in elementary/middle/high school. I think we are the only college around that uses them, lol.
 
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It could be worse.:devil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw
 
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It could be worse.:devil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw
Pretty good :rofl:
 
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I guess this is just what happens when you perform poorly in secondary school and are forced to matriculate in a low-tier college after being rejected everywhere else. Even my admissions counselor at my current institution asked me twice if I was sure I wanted to attend this school because she said she's never seen anyone with such a high GPA even apply to this school before, which surprised me because even a 4.0 at a community college around here is not that difficult to achieve and I thought everyone pretty much had around the same grades.

I accept my punishment though, and I try to make the best of the situation even though the course options are severely limited due to low faculty numbers and all the classes occur at the same time, everyone treats you like a grade-schooler, and we even have the yellow schoolbuses that I had to ride back in elementary/middle/high school. I think we are the only college around that uses them, lol.
Why don't you get good grades for a couple of years and then apply somewhere else?
 

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