Nature of Coil and magnet fields?

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The discussion centers on the similarities between the magnetic fields generated by coils and permanent magnets. It highlights the challenge of visualizing how the magnetic field of a coil can resemble that of a permanent magnet, despite their different origins. The magnetic field from a coil is easily visualized due to the current flow, while the field from a permanent magnet arises from the collective orbital magnetic moments of atoms. The participants note that the configuration of the coils, whether wide or numerous small ones, does not significantly affect the overall magnetic field produced. Understanding these concepts is essential for grasping the nature of magnetic fields in both coils and permanent magnets.
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I find it difficult to visualise how the magnetic field generated by a coil can be the same as the field of a permanent magnet. Are the magnetic fields the same or is it just that the effects are the same in that they both attract iron or magnets in the same fashion?
Visualising the field produced by a coil is straightforward because the current flows along the wire and emanates a nice ring of magnetic field but I can't see how the orbital magnetic moments of individual atoms clumped into domains sum up to the same rings of field.
 
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Hi Ruptor! :smile:
Ruptor said:
Visualising the field produced by a coil is straightforward because the current flows along the wire and emanates a nice ring of magnetic field but I can't see how the orbital magnetic moments of individual atoms clumped into domains sum up to the same rings of field.

It makes (almost) no difference to the magnetic field whether you have a current coil with a wide diameter,

or lots of current coils with tiny diameters (and the same current) filling the same volume. :wink:
 
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