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The discussion revolves around calculating the pressure inside a sealed metal bottle containing air and liquid helium after the system warms to room temperature. Participants explore the application of the ideal gas law and the conversion of liquid helium to gas, considering the initial conditions of temperature and pressure.

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  • One participant calculates the pressure of air using the relation P/T = P1/T1, arriving at P1 = 5.676 atm for air at room temperature.
  • Another participant calculates the number of moles of helium based on its density and molecular weight, initially finding 0.3675 mol and calculating its pressure contribution as 3.595 atm.
  • Some participants question the accuracy of the calculations, suggesting that the conversion of grams to moles for helium may have been incorrect.
  • There is a suggestion to ensure consistent units are used in the ideal gas equation.
  • Participants discuss the need to find the number of moles for both gases separately and sum them for the total pressure calculation.
  • One participant proposes a final result of 42 atm, but it is unclear if this is accepted or verified by others.

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There is no consensus on the correct total pressure calculation, as participants express uncertainty and challenge each other's calculations without reaching a definitive answer.

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Participants have not resolved the discrepancies in their calculations, and there are indications of potential errors in the conversion of units and the application of the ideal gas law. The discussion reflects various assumptions about the behavior of gases under the given conditions.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in thermodynamics, gas laws, or those seeking assistance with similar pressure calculation problems in a chemistry or physics context.

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Liquid helium at 4.2 K has a density of 0.147 g/mL. Suppose that a 2.50-L metal bottle that contains air at 105K and 2.0 atm pressure is sealed off. If we inject 100.0 mL of liquid helium and allow the entire system to warm to room temperature (25 °C), what is the pressure inside the bottle?

This is what I have so far
For air alone-
P/T = P1/T1
2.0 / 105 = P1 / 298
P1 = 5.676 atm

For He alone-
100.0 mL x 0.147 g/mL = 1.47 g
1.47 g/ 4.00 g/mol = .3675 mol
P=nRT/V=.3675x0.08206x298/2.50=3.595 atm

Ptotal = 3.595 + 5.7 = 9.296 atm


But apparently the answers wrong. Can someone please help?

Addtional Hints:

At the end of the problem, the bottle contains both helium and air, and we want the total pressure. You know V (same as the initial V of the metal bottle) and T, so if you knew n you could solve for P. Find the number of moles of air and of helium separately, then add them to get the total number of moles of gas in the bottle. I will add that you need to use two pretty different ways to find the moles of the two gases.

does anyone know how to solve for the mole (n) in pv=nrt for this equation...maybe if I find the number of moles individually for both then I can solve...
 
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> "100.0 mL x 0.147 g/mL = 1.47 g"

Try that one again.
 
okay i realized that and fixed it but i still get the wrong answer...i used 14.7 g this time
 
Huh, I'm not sure what else is wrong. But I didn't check the rest of it, did you use consistent units for the ideal gas equation?
 
yes I used k for temperature and the right constant value
 
mhn745 said:
Liquid helium at 4.2 K has a density of 0.147 g/mL. Suppose that a 2.50-L metal bottle that contains air at 105K and 2.0 atm pressure is sealed off. If we inject 100.0 mL of liquid helium and allow the entire system to warm to room temperature (25 °C), what is the pressure inside the bottle?

This is what I have so far
For air alone-
P/T = P1/T1
2.0 / 105 = P1 / 298
P1 = 5.676 atm

For He alone-
100.0 mL x 0.147 g/mL = 1.47 g
1.47 g/ 4.00 g/mol = .3675 mol
P=nRT/V=.3675x0.08206x298/2.50=3.595 atm

Ptotal = 3.595 + 5.7 = 9.296 atm


But apparently the answers wrong. Can someone please help?

Addtional Hints:

At the end of the problem, the bottle contains both helium and air, and we want the total pressure. You know V (same as the initial V of the metal bottle) and T, so if you knew n you could solve for P. Find the number of moles of air and of helium separately, then add them to get the total number of moles of gas in the bottle. I will add that you need to use two pretty different ways to find the moles of the two gases.

does anyone know how to solve for the mole (n) in pv=nrt for this equation...maybe if I find the number of moles individually for both then I can solve...

Check your MW for Helium gas.
 
mhn745 said:
okay i realized that and fixed it but i still get the wrong answer...i used 14.7 g this time

What was your final result?

How many significant digits have you entered?

4.00 is a correct MW for helium.
 
mhn745 said:
Liquid helium at 4.2 K has a density of 0.147 g/mL. Suppose that a 2.50-L metal bottle that contains air at 105K and 2.0 atm pressure is sealed off. If we inject 100.0 mL of liquid helium and allow the entire system to warm to room temperature (25 °C), what is the pressure inside the bottle?

This is what I have so far
For air alone-
P/T = P1/T1
2.0 / 105 = P1 / 298
P1 = 5.676 atm

For He alone-
100.0 mL x 0.147 g/mL = 1.47 g
1.47 g/ 4.00 g/mol = .3675 mol
P=nRT/V=.3675x0.08206x298/2.50=3.595 atm

Ptotal = 3.595 + 5.7 = 9.296 atm


But apparently the answers wrong. Can someone please help?

Addtional Hints:

At the end of the problem, the bottle contains both helium and air, and we want the total pressure. You know V (same as the initial V of the metal bottle) and T, so if you knew n you could solve for P. Find the number of moles of air and of helium separately, then add them to get the total number of moles of gas in the bottle. I will add that you need to use two pretty different ways to find the moles of the two gases.

does anyone know how to solve for the mole (n) in pv=nrt for this equation...maybe if I find the number of moles individually for both then I can solve...

Is the answer 42 atm?
 

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