Need Help Finding the Angle Between Two Vectors

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angle between two vectors A = 3i + j and B = -1i + 2j. The correct cross product was found to be 7, but the angle calculation using the arcsin function led to confusion due to its ambiguity for angles exceeding 90 degrees. It was suggested to use the dot product method instead, which avoids this issue and provides a more accurate angle. The final correct angle calculated using the dot product was approximately 98.13 degrees. This highlights the importance of choosing the right mathematical approach for vector angle calculations.
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Homework Statement


Two vectors are given by A = 3i + j and = -1i + 2j.
A) Find A x B <---This is the cross product not multiplication.
B) Find the angle between A and B.

Homework Equations



|AxB|=|A||B|sin(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution



A) I used the determinant to find the cross product as 3(2)-1(-1)=7 <---This answer is correct

B) I need help with this problem...
I tried |AxB|=|A||B|sin(theta) to get θ= arcsin( |AxB| / ( |A||B| )
|A|=√(Ax^2+Ay^2)=3.16
|B|=√(Bx^2+Ay^2)=2.24
Thus, θ= arcsin(7/((3.16)(2.24)))=81.8 °.

However, it says that it is the wrong answer and I don't know why. Can anyone please help?
Thank you.
 
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hardygirl989 said:

Homework Statement


Two vectors are given by A = 3i + j and = -1i + 2j.
A) Find A x B <---This is the cross product not multiplication.
B) Find the angle between A and B.



Homework Equations



|AxB|=|A||B|sin(theta)


The Attempt at a Solution



A) I used the determinant to find the cross product as 3(2)-1(-1)=7 <---This answer is correct

B) I need help with this problem...
I tried |AxB|=|A||B|sin(theta) to get θ= arcsin( |AxB| / ( |A||B| )
|A|=√(Ax^2+Ay^2)=3.16
|B|=√(Bx^2+Ay^2)=2.24
Thus, θ= arcsin(7/((3.16)(2.24)))=81.8 °.

However, it says that it is the wrong answer and I don't know why. Can anyone please help?
Thank you.

The problem is, there is an ambiguity introduced by the arcsin() function when the angle between the vectors exceeds 90 degrees. If you think about it, the sine of 90°-x is the same as the sine of 90°+x, as both angles "straddle" the y-axis. The arcsin function will only return one of the angles, and that would be the smaller of the two choices (in the first quadrant).

Note that the arccos() function doesn't have the same issue for angles in the 1st and 2nd quadrants. Maybe a dot product approach is in your future :smile:

Alternatively, find the angles associated with both vectors and take the difference.
 
Yes! I got the correct answer! Thank you! I was not even thinking about the ambiguity. :)

Dot product of A and B = |A||B|cos(theta)
so theta = arccos[Dot product of A and B / ( |A||B| ) ]
theta = arccos { [ (3)(-1)+(2)(1) ] / [ (3.16)(2.24) ] } = 98.13 degrees.
 
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