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The discussion revolves around a functional analysis problem involving two continuously differentiable functions, \(\phi(x)\) and \(\psi(x)\), defined on the interval \([0, \pi]\). Participants are exploring the proof of the equation \(u''(x) + u(x) = Wf(x)\) for some constant \(W\), where \(u(x)\) is defined as an integral involving a piecewise function \(G(x,y)\) and a continuous function \(f(x)\).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and seeks help in proving the equation \(u''(x) + u(x) = Wf(x)\).
  • Another participant suggests that the conclusion \(u''(x) = -u(x)\) is incorrect and encourages careful differentiation of \(u(x)\).
  • A different participant introduces the expression \(u'' = -u + (\phi' \psi - \psi' \phi) f\) and notes that the term \(\phi' \psi - \psi' \phi\) is constant.
  • It is pointed out that \(\phi' \psi - \psi' \phi\) is not generally zero but rather a constant, and participants are encouraged to use the known general form of the solutions to the differential equation \(y'' + y = 0\) to prove this constancy.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the conclusion regarding \(u''(x)\) and the nature of the term \(\phi' \psi - \psi' \phi\). There is no consensus on the proof or the implications of the expressions involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the differentiation process and the assumptions about the functions \(\phi\) and \(\psi\). The dependence on the specific forms of these functions and their derivatives is not fully clarified.

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hello everyone!
I had a stuck in solving problem for a week now, so need help.
Please help!

the problem is as follows.In a closed interval I=[0,\pi], the 2-times continuously differentiable function \phi(x) and \psi(x) meet the following conditions (they're ranged in \mathbb{R}).

\psi ''(x)+\psi(x)=\phi ''(x)+\phi(x)=0

Assume f(x) be a continuous function defined in I, and let G(x,y), u(x) as followings.
G(x,y)=\Bigg\{\begin{array}{l}\phi(x)\psi(y)\quad (0\leq y\leq x\leq \pi) \\ \psi(x)\phi(y)\quad (0\leq x\leq y\leq \pi) \end{array}<br /> \\\\<br /> u(x)=\int^\pi_0 G(x,y)f(y)dy

Now my question is, what would be a proof for the equation: u&#039;&#039;(x)+u(x)=Wf(x) (for \exists W is a constant).

I found u''(x)+u(x) constantly becomes 0 (for reason that u&#039;&#039;(x)=\displaystyle{\int^\pi_0 \frac{\partial^2G(x,y)}{\partial{x}^2}f(y)dy} = -u(x)).Any hidden concept or my ignorance makes this so hard?
 
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<br /> u(x)=\int^\pi_0 G(x,y)f(y)dy = \int_0^x G(x, y) f(y) dy+ \int_x^{\pi} G(x, y) f(y) dy<br /> \\ = \int_0^x \phi(x) \psi(y) f(y) dy+ \int_x^{\pi} \psi(x) \phi(y) f(y) dy<br /> \\ = \phi(x) \int_0^x \psi(y) f(y) dy+ \psi(x)\int_x^{\pi} \phi(y) f(y) dy<br />

Differentiate this carefully and you will see that your conclusion ## u''(x) = -u(x) ## is incorrect.
 
>voko
with your denotation, I found that u&#039;&#039;=-u+(\phi &#039;\psi-\psi &#039;\phi)f conveys the 1st differencial of \phi &#039;\psi-\psi &#039;\phiequals to 0 leads its constancy.
Thank you!
 
##\phi '\psi-\psi '\phi ## is not zero generally. It is a constant. The two functions are solutions of y'' + y = 0, and the general form of the solution is well known. Use it to prove the constancy of ##\phi '\psi-\psi '\phi ##.
 

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