Need Help Understanding Echelle Diffraction Gratings

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The discussion revolves around understanding echelle diffraction gratings, focusing on their mathematical and physical principles, as well as the calculation of angular separations for specific wavelengths and orders. Participants seek clarification on the equations used and request additional resources for better comprehension.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the calculation of angular separations for wavelengths of 600 nm and 605 nm using an echelle grating with 31.6 lines/mm, questioning the application of the equation sinθ' = nλ/d.
  • Another participant clarifies the calculation of the grating spacing (d) and confirms the units are consistent, but still struggles to arrive at the correct angular separation results.
  • A later reply provides a formula for calculating the angular separations, suggesting the use of arcsin to find the differences for orders m=1 and m=40, and mentions converting the result to degrees.
  • Additional resources for understanding echelle gratings are suggested, including a handbook and technical papers, indicating the specialized nature of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations, as confusion persists regarding the application of the equations and the resulting values. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented without resolution.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the equations involved, the specific conditions under which the calculations are made, and the dependence on the definitions of terms used in the context of echelle gratings.

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Individuals interested in the technical aspects of diffraction gratings, particularly those studying or working in optics, physics, or engineering may find this discussion relevant.

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I am looking for help understanding echelle gratings (the math and physical concept)
Hello,

I am attempting to understand and simulate an echelle grating. The thorlabs website has somewhat of an explanation as to how they work...(here). In the echelle section they calculate the spacing in degrees of 600 nm and 605 nm at different orders. They use an example grating of 31.6 lines/mm. For the n=1 case they get 0.009o and for n=40 they get 0.6o. I am not sure how they are getting these numbers, I am also confused how the units work out. I assume they are using the equation:
sinθ' = nλ/d​

but I am not sure. Can I get some help understanding how they get here?


Additionally, if anyone knows of reference on material that explains the physical and mathematical concepts of echelle gratings a little better than this website, i would appreciate it.

Thank you.
 
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I realize that d= 1/31.6 * 1e6, so that the units do work out. but still i do not get the right answer
 
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I have solved this. the two angular separations are found by:

arcsin( m * 605/[(1/31.6)*1e6]) - arcsin( m * 600/[(1/31.6)*1e6])

where m=1 or 40.

By multiplying the difference by 180/pi, you get the desired result.
 
Glad we could help! :wink:

And Welcome to PF, BTW. :smile:
 
dartingeyes said:
Hello,

I am attempting to understand and simulate an echelle grating. [...]

Additionally, if anyone knows of reference on material that explains the physical and mathematical concepts of echelle gratings a little better than this website, i would appreciate it.
Echelle gratings are quite specialized; other sources of information I recommend are:

Richardson Grating Lab handbook (https://www.gratinglab.com/Information/Handbook/Handbook.aspx)
and a few technical papers etc:
https://opg.optica.org/ao/fulltext.cfm?uri=ao-34-10-1707&id=46029
https://hal.science/hal-01084458/
 
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