Need to find the source for a 3D Hooke's law equation to cite

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the need to find a credible source for citing the 3D implementation of Hooke's law in a master's project software write-up. Participants explore the acceptability of using Wikipedia as a source and the implications of citing established scientific laws.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses the need to find a proper source for the 3D Hooke's law equation, citing concerns about the credibility of Wikipedia.
  • Another participant suggests that citing Wikipedia is acceptable since it is where the information was obtained, despite warnings from professors against it.
  • A participant mentions that a professor advised against citing Wikipedia in academic papers, recommending that one should find the original source instead.
  • Some participants argue that Hooke's law is a well-established principle, and citing it should not require extensive sourcing, similar to citing basic mathematical truths.
  • One participant suggests that if the formula is not found in the cited book, it would be Wikipedia's fault for not providing proper citations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that basic relationships like Hooke's law should be familiar to those in the field, implying that finding a source may not be necessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether it is necessary to find a formal source for Hooke's law. Some believe it is acceptable to cite Wikipedia, while others argue for finding a more credible source. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of sourcing established laws.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying opinions on the credibility of sources and the necessity of citations for widely recognized scientific principles. There are references to specific texts and the challenges of accessing them, but no definitive source is agreed upon.

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Homework Statement


I am using the 3D implementation of Hooke's law as found in wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooke's_law
I need to find the actual source to cite it in a master's project software write up. Many professors do not consider wikipedia to be an acceptable source, from what I've heard.

Homework Equations


\begin{equation}
\begin{bmatrix}
\sigma_{11} \\
\sigma_{22} \\
\sigma_{33} \\
\sigma_{23} \\
\sigma_{13} \\
\sigma_{12}
\end{bmatrix}
=
\begin{bmatrix}
2 \mu + \lambda & \lambda & \lambda & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
\lambda & 2 \mu + \lambda & \lambda & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
\lambda & \lambda & 2 \mu + \lambda & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & \mu & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & \mu & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & \mu
\end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix}
\varepsilon_{11} \\
\varepsilon_{22} \\
\varepsilon_{33} \\
2 \varepsilon_{23} \\
2 \varepsilon_{13} \\
2 \varepsilon_{12}
2\end{bmatrix}
\end{equation}

The Attempt at a Solution


I skimmed through the cited Walter Lewin MIT course lectures and did not see it.
I found the cited book "Advanced Strength and Applied Elasticity" on Google books, but it omits major pages.
I just need to know for certain where it comes from to cite it properly. I would like to avoid tracking down a copy of a hard book if possible, especially if I don't know the book has what I need.
 
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Your options are:
Find the book somehow and make sure it's in there and the page
Cite Wikipedia
Derive it from your own principles
The honest thing to do is to cite the Wiki page because that's where you honestly got the information.
 
> The honest thing to do is to cite the Wiki page because that's where you honestly got the information.

When I went to the orientation for grad school, a professor told everyone not to cite wikipedia when writing academic papers in conferences. He said this is "laughed at". He said that if you see something you like, find the source that wikipedia cites, and cite that instead. This is a masters project write up and not an academic paper, but it is still evaluted by professors who write papers.

If the university library has the book, I could track it down, though there is no guarantee it has the formula. I just wanted to see if anyone online might know for certain of a source that has it. If it's an online, viewable source, that would instantly resolve it.

The other option would be to find another usable formula from an easy to find source and recode it in the C++ code then retest. I'd really like to try to find it first, though.
 
I would think you have some leeway with this formula. I would cite the only book wiki cites and if it's not there it would be wiki's fault for not citing their sources. Normally I don't condone plagiarism, but hookes law is certainly not original work at this point and I don't think whoever reviews your presentation is going to look through the book to verify it. No one cites Newton's principia when they mention f=ma in a paper.
 
I agree with cpsinkule, if you state it as Hooke's Law, I don't think anyone will question you as to where you got it from. As if that is the case and you need to reference every single thing, then you might as well start looking for references for things like area = πr2 or even more absurd 1 + 1 = 2.
 
datahead8888 said:

Homework Statement


I am using the 3D implementation of Hooke's law as found in wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooke's_law
I need to find the actual source to cite it in a master's project software write up. Many professors do not consider wikipedia to be an acceptable source, from what I've heard.

Homework Equations


\begin{equation}
\begin{bmatrix}
\sigma_{11} \\
\sigma_{22} \\
\sigma_{33} \\
\sigma_{23} \\
\sigma_{13} \\
\sigma_{12}
\end{bmatrix}
=
\begin{bmatrix}
2 \mu + \lambda & \lambda & \lambda & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
\lambda & 2 \mu + \lambda & \lambda & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
\lambda & \lambda & 2 \mu + \lambda & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & \mu & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & \mu & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & \mu
\end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix}
\varepsilon_{11} \\
\varepsilon_{22} \\
\varepsilon_{33} \\
2 \varepsilon_{23} \\
2 \varepsilon_{13} \\
2 \varepsilon_{12}
2\end{bmatrix}
\end{equation}

The Attempt at a Solution


I skimmed through the cited Walter Lewin MIT course lectures and did not see it.
I found the cited book "Advanced Strength and Applied Elasticity" on Google books, but it omits major pages.
I just need to know for certain where it comes from to cite it properly. I would like to avoid tracking down a copy of a hard book if possible, especially if I don't know the book has what I need.

This is not something which was discovered in a field etched on gold sheets.

You should be able to find a reference for Hooke's Law for isotropic materials in any standard text on elasticity or advanced strength of materials. If you can't find the Ugural work online, there are many others.

These are basic relationships which should be familiar to anyone who has studied in this field. Unearthing a source for it is similar to finding one for F = ma.
 
I don't think it is necessary to cite long-established, widely known laws.

Writing, "via Hooke's Law, it can be shown..." etc. is fine.
 

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