Negative power and PNP transistors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of negative power and the operation of PNP transistors in comparison to NPN transistors. Participants explore the definitions of power and voltage, the behavior of transistors, and the implications of biasing in circuits.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that negative power refers to a point in a circuit with lower voltage compared to another point, using an example of 8 V and 4 V.
  • Another participant points out a confusion between power and voltage, indicating that they are not interchangeable terms.
  • A further clarification is made that power is expressed in Watts and is always positive, referencing the equation P=i²r.
  • There is a question about whether using an NPN transistor with minimal current to the base could achieve similar results as a PNP transistor, which remains unanswered.
  • A participant proposes that understanding the behavior of a PN junction in forward and reverse bias is essential for grasping the differences between NPN and PNP transistors.
  • One participant expresses that they find an external article helpful in clarifying their understanding of semiconductors.
  • A later post questions the operation of a PNP transistor, specifically regarding the role of holes and electrons in conduction, which is affirmed by another participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some confusion regarding the terminology of power and voltage, and there is no consensus on the initial question about the interchangeability of NPN and PNP transistors. The discussion includes both agreement on certain technical points and ongoing uncertainty about the initial concepts presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of power and voltage, as well as the assumptions made about transistor operation. The exploration of biasing and the behavior of PN junctions is not fully resolved.

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Hello,

From what I have learned, when someone refers to negative power, they are referring to a point in a circuit that has lower voltage compared to another area that has more voltage. For example, one test point in a circuit is 8 V while another test point is 4 V. That 4 V point in the circuit is -4 V in comparison to the 8 V point.

I know there are transistors that work off of negative power (PNP) and positive power (NPN). NPN transistors work by positive power applied to the base lead while PNP transistors work by negative power applied to the base lead.

This is what I don't get, if PNP transistors want negative power, then why don't you just use a NPN transistor and provide very little current to the base lead... wouldn't that be the same thing?

Also please provide an thorough explanation to my question, I really want to understand this.

Thanks you very much.
 
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I think you are very confused on something having to do with transistors. You seem to be using power and voltage interchangeably. You can't do that.
 
Averagesupernova said:
I think you are very confused on something having to do with transistors. You seem to be using power and voltage interchangeably. You can't do that.

Yeah, I am really new to this stuff so I may not have my words straight.:redface:
 
Lets assume you means power as in power supply in which case you are actually is referring to voltage.

If you really mean power. That is expressed in Watts and is positive in value. (just think of equation P=i^2r, no matter which direction current is going, when you square it, the sign becomes positive)

You are right, when you are measuring a lower voltage potential with respect to a higher reference potential, the difference is negative. Regarding NPN versus PNP biasing, I recommend you first think about how a PN junction (a diode) behaves, both in forward and reverse bias. How would you connect a supply voltage to a PN junction for a forward bias? reverse bias?
 
dlgoff said:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/diode.htm" might be a good start to understand semiconductors.

Wonderful article. Things a much clearer now, thanks.

Though I do have one more question:

Lets say we have a PNP transistor, so technically the positive in the PNP are the areas with the holes and when you apply N type conduction (access electrons) to the base lead (middle lead), it in a sense pushes the access electrons in the middle of the sandwhich away so P type conduction can take place between the Emitter and Collector? Am I right on this?
 
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Sounds right to me.
 

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