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Pnp transistor with base connected to collector

  1. Jun 10, 2016 #1
    Hello all,
    I have a problem to understand a pnp transistor with base (B) connected to collector (C).
    When I set the VE (voltage of emitter) at 0 V and the VB, which is the voltage of base and collector nodes, since they are tied together), decrease from 0 V to -1.0 V,the simulation result shows me that the emitter current (IE) is equal to | IB + IC |.
    I can understand the result regarding the equivalent circuit of pnp, but i can not understand the physics behind this, because VBC=0 V. Does operate the diode of BE junction in forward-biased? what is about the diode of BC junction, when VBC=0 V?

    I would be thankful for any reply
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  3. Jun 10, 2016 #2


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    I'm no expert but from your wording, this is what I think:
    Means B-C junction is shorted.
    Since BC diode is shorted, no current would flow through the BC junction.
  4. Jun 10, 2016 #3
    Thanks for your answer.
    The simulation results show me that a current (IC), which is a little lower than IB (defined for base current ), flows through the collector node and the sum of both currents | IB+IC| is equal to the emitter current IE.
    In my case, the external nodes of base and collector are shorted, but each of this layer has internal parasitic resistance. I think the internal VBC is not 0 V.
  5. Jun 10, 2016 #4


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    Yes. But there is no current "through" the BC junction. Current flows from B to E and C to E such that Ib+Ic=Ie..
    It should be 0 since B and C are externally connected by a conductor.
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  6. Jun 10, 2016 #5
    Many thanks for the information. It took me time to understand that, but now it's clear for me.
    Thanks again.
  7. Jun 10, 2016 #6


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    Try a real-world experiment. This is a "Quick-and-Dirty" test to check if a bipolar junction transistor (BJT) is functional.

    1) Connect an Ohmmeter to forward bias the B-E junction with the Collector open. You should get a fairly low resistance reading.
    2) Now connect the Collector to the Base. The Ohmmeter reading will decrease by a small amount.
    3) If you then disconnect the Base, you should get a very high reading between Collector and Emitter.
    Edit: 4) Connect E-C and Ohmmeter to reverse bias the Base junctions. Should be a very high reading.
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2016
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