Newtonian gravity theory and energy

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The discussion centers on calculating the impact speed of a 1.0 kg object released from 500 km above the Earth, using energy conservation principles. The initial calculation yielded an incorrect speed of 10,776 m/s, while the correct answer is 3.02 km/s. The error stemmed from neglecting the gravitational potential energy (GPE) at the Earth's surface, as the GPE is defined to be zero at infinity, not at the surface. Participants clarified that the change in GPE between the two positions must be considered to accurately determine the kinetic energy. The original poster acknowledged the mistake and expressed the need for further review of the topic.
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Homework Statement


A 1.0kg object is released form rest 500km above the earth. What is its impact speed as it hits the ground? Ignore air resistance.

Homework Equations


##U_g = \frac{GmM_e}{r}##
##K = \frac{1}{2}mv^2##
## \Delta U = - \Delta K##

The Attempt at a Solution


Using energy conservation I arrived at
##\frac{GmM_e}{r} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2##, then ##v = sqrt{\frac{2GM_e}{r}}##

Plugging in values, ##v = \sqrt{\frac{2(6.67\times10^{-11})(5.98\times10^{24})}{(6.37\times10^6 +5.00\times10^5)}} = 10776 m/s##, never mind the significant figures.
This is rather far from the correct answer though, which is 3.02km/s.
 
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(According to your equation for the gravitational potential energy) is the GPE zero at the surface of Earth?

P.S.
There should be a negative sign on Ug
 
Nathanael said:
(According to your equation for the gravitational potential energy) is the GPE zero at the surface of Earth?
Forgot to put the negative sign in there. By the look of it the GPE is zero at the centre of the earth, which accounts for the excess energy, correct?
 
Solve for v
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Lord Anoobis said:
Forgot to put the negative sign in there. By the look of it the GPE is zero at the centre of the earth, which accounts for the excess energy, correct?
It has nothing to do with the center of the Earth.

You have two positions, 500km above the surface, and at the surface. The change in the GPE between these two positions is equal to the change in kinetic energy. Your calculation neglected the GPE at the surface of Earth.
(Your equation for the GPE takes the zero-potential to be at infinity, not at the surface.)
 
Engineer at UIC said:
Solve for v
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Nathanael said:
It has nothing to do with the center of the Earth.

You have two positions, 500km above the surface, and at the surface. The change in the GPE between these two positions is equal to the change in kinetic energy. Your calculation neglected the GPE at the surface of Earth.
(Your equation for the GPE takes the zero-potential to be at infinity, not at the surface.)
True. I got that mixed up. Problem solved and thanks for the input. I feel I need to have another closer look at this section though.
 
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