Newton's second law and Springs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Newton's second law to springs, particularly in the context of varying forces and accelerations. Participants explore the implications of spring force and how it relates to the motion of a mass attached to a spring, including the mathematical formulation of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that since the spring force is F = -kx, the acceleration is not constant, raising a question about applying Newton's second law.
  • Another participant argues that Newton's second law does not require constant acceleration and explains how to derive the varying force from the second derivative of position.
  • A third participant notes that acceleration is the second derivative of the position function and presents the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration as a second-order differential equation.
  • One participant provides a solution to the differential equation, suggesting a specific form for the position function x(t) and relating it to the parameters of the spring-mass system.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the explanations provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple viewpoints on the application of Newton's second law to springs, with no consensus reached regarding the implications of varying acceleration and force.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about initial conditions and the nature of the differential equation, which are not fully resolved.

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Spring Force is F = -kx
So, because the force is not constant, the acceleration is also not constant..

How then can we apply Newton's second law: F = mass x acceleration to springs?
 
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There is no restriction that Newton's second law must have constant acceleration. You can have a varying acceleration and if you solve [itex]F = m\frac{\mathrm{d} ^{2}x}{\mathrm{d} t^{2}}[/itex] you can get the resulting varying force. For a spring, the potential is [itex]v(x) = \frac{1}{2}kx^{2}[/itex] and [itex]F = -\frac{\partial V}{\partial x} = m\frac{\mathrm{d} ^{2}x}{\mathrm{d} t^{2}}[/itex] so [itex]m\frac{\mathrm{d} ^{2}x}{\mathrm{d} t^{2}} = -kx[/itex]. Acceleration doesn't have to be a constant; it could be given as some varying function of time and the varying spring force would follow suit.
 
We note that acceleration is the second derivative of the position function. Our position function is x(t), so that v(t)=dx(t)/dt and a(t)=dv(t)/dt. Now Newton's law tells us:

[tex]F=-kx(t)=m\frac{d^2 x(t)}{dt^2}[/tex]

Which is a second order differential equation that we have to solve (we need 2 initial conditions to completely solve this).
 
[tex]F=-kx(t)=m\frac{d^2x(t)}{dt^2}[/tex]

If you were to bring the mass on the spring to an initial displacement and let it go, you could figure out the position function x(t) by solving that differential equation:

[tex]x(t)=x_0~cos(\omega t+\phi )[/tex]

Where:

[tex]\omega^2=\frac{k}{m}[/tex]
 
makes sense thanks!
 

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