No gravity at center of earth= no pressure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between gravity and pressure at the center of the Earth, exploring concepts of gravitational force, pressure, and the implications of being in a gravitational field that varies with depth. Participants examine the nature of pressure in relation to gravitational forces, particularly in the context of the Earth's structure and the behavior of materials under extreme conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while gravity is zero at the center of the Earth, the immense weight of the layers above still exerts pressure.
  • Others argue that pressure in a liquid is dependent on height and gravitational acceleration, leading to confusion about how pressure can exist if gravity is zero.
  • A participant suggests that atoms at the center of a star must provide a normal force to counteract the weight of the material above them, questioning whether they experience any pressure.
  • Another participant posits that pressure increases as one moves towards the center of the Earth, despite decreasing gravity, due to the mass above exerting force.
  • Some participants clarify that the gravitational pull of surrounding mass continues to exert pressure, even if net gravity is zero at the center.
  • A later reply challenges the idea that a hollow void would exist at the center due to centrifugal effects, emphasizing that pressure is a result of the mass trying to compress towards the core.
  • One participant illustrates the concept using an analogy of a weightless table supporting a heavy block, suggesting that the mass above still exerts pressure regardless of local gravitational effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that pressure exists at the center of the Earth despite zero gravity, but there is ongoing debate about the implications of gravity's cancellation and how pressure is generated in such conditions. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of pressure and gravity in this context.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the relationship between gravitational force and pressure, highlighting the complexity of the concepts involved. There are unresolved questions about the effects of centrifugal forces and the behavior of materials under extreme conditions.

  • #181
Studiot said:
No I do not mean the interatomic distance ( distance between nuclei).

http://winter.group.shef.ac.uk/orbitron/

Please these orbital exist side by side in space, not in shells like onions.

The Boltzmann distribution curve gives an energy distribution, not a spatial one.

Electrons occupy such interesting orbitals! So are you saying that the electrons in the 2p and 6p orbitals are equidistant from the nucleus?
 
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  • #182
It varies, but all the dumbell types (p, d) have a component right up to the nucleus where.

An interesting question is how they all co-exist in an atom with a lot of electons!
 
  • #183
Easy. Because they are wavelike and have no choice!
 
  • #184
Because they are wavelike and have no choice!

Yes, true but still interesting.
:smile:
 
  • #185
Studiot said:
Yes, true but still interesting.
:smile:

Then it depends on what exactly the electrons are doing. Do they occupy the entire orbital all at once, or are they found as a pointlike object within them?
 
  • #186
Drakkith said:
Then it depends on what exactly the electrons are doing. Do they occupy the entire orbital all at once, or are they found as a pointlike object within them?

The orbital is nothing but a probability cloud. When you measure the position of the electron, it will be found within that cloud - with no indication as to what it was doing before the moment of measurement and no indication as to what it might do after the moment of measurement. The shape of the cloud simply defines the probability of where it will be found at that moment.

So, the latter.
 
  • #188
This thread went off the rails around post 168, with discussion about neutrons. It should be split into a separate thread.
 

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