Non-Ideal Battery Voltage with few data points

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The discussion focuses on determining the EMF and internal resistance of a battery using a current versus external resistance graph. The user attempts to simplify the circuit to find the equivalent resistance but struggles to calculate the EMF accurately. They consider using the maximum current from the graph as a potential solution, although they express uncertainty about this approach. Other participants suggest leveraging specific data points from the graph to derive equations that can help solve for the battery's voltage and internal resistance. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of analyzing the provided data points to find a solution.
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Homework Statement


The problem includes a graph. All I have is a current to external resistance graph, with 20 A coming at 10R of external resistance. I am to find the EMF and internal resistance of the battery.

Here is the problem and my two attempts.
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Homework Equations


DeltaV = E - I * Rinternal

The Attempt at a Solution


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I included two of my attempts at a solution. In both cases I simplify the circuit such that I can find the R equivalent from Rinternal and Rexternal. While that can give me a ratio, I still don't know what the EMF of the battery is.

One idea I had was to assume the max current on the graph (60 amps) is the max current the system can take. If this is correct, then I can reformulate the earlier formula to find a 'max possible I'. With this, I can find E in terms of Rin and I do find a solution, though I am highly unconfident if this is allowed.
 
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FireZealot said:
One idea I had was to assume the max current on the graph (60 amps) is the max current the system can take. If this is correct, then I can reformulate the earlier formula to find a 'max possible I'. With this, I can find E in terms of Rin and I do find a solution, though I am highly unconfident if this is allowed.
I believe your idea is right. This is the only approach to solve this problem.
 
FireZealot said:
One idea I had was to assume the max current on the graph (60 amps) is the max current the system can take. If this is correct, then I can reformulate the earlier formula to find a 'max possible I'. With this, I can find E in terms of Rin and I do find a solution, though I am highly unconfident if this is allowed.
They have been kind to you by plotting the current at no external resistance. More generally you would not have such a datapoint, so it's worth knowing how to proceed in that case.
Consider the points (5, 30) and (10, 20). If the battery voltage is V and internal resistance R, what equations do those two datapoints allow you to write?
 
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