Nonlinear ODE by an infinite series expansion

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The discussion revolves around solving the nonlinear differential equation y' = x² - y² using an infinite series expansion. Participants explore various approaches, including direct substitution, recurrence relations, and potential changes of variables, while considering the implications of these methods for finding solutions.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using an infinite series expansion y = ∑ a_n x^n directly without changing variables, proposing to express y² as a double sum to facilitate substitution into the ODE.
  • Another participant confirms that equating coefficients of like powers of x leads to a recurrence relation for the coefficients, although they note that the relation is not straightforward.
  • A different participant mentions that while they found a pattern in the coefficients after equating, the resulting recurrence relation is complex but computable with initial conditions.
  • Some participants propose that the equation may be a special Riccati equation, leading to a transformed equation that might be solvable using series expansion, although they express uncertainty about the simplicity of the resulting recurrence relation.
  • One participant recalls having previously solved a similar transformed equation, suggesting that it may involve Bessel functions, while another speculates that modified Bessel functions could arise from the current equation.
  • A participant shares a resource for obtaining an infinite series expansion using Maple, indicating a potential tool for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a change of variables is necessary, with some advocating for direct methods while others explore transformations. The complexity of the recurrence relations is acknowledged, but no consensus is reached on the best approach or the nature of the solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the recurrence relations derived from the series expansions are generally not simple, and the discussion includes references to specific forms of differential equations that may yield closed-form solutions involving special functions.

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I have to solve the nonlinear DE y'=x²-y² by using an infinite series expansion y=[tex]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n x^n[/tex], but I've tried in vain. Maybe a change of variables would make it easier, but I don't know which one.

Thanks
 
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I don't think you need to change variables: just attack it directly. The trick is in writing [tex]y^2[/tex] as a double sum so that if you substitute the series into the ODE you get:

[tex] \sum_{n=0}^\infty n a_n x^{n-1} = x^2 - \sum_{n=0}^\infty\sum_{m=0}^\infty a_n a_m x^{m+n}[/tex]

Next equate coefficients of like powers of [tex]x, i.e., x^{-1}, x^0, x^1,[/tex]etc.
As an example, suppose you are equating coefficients of [tex]x^5[/tex], say. Then you get

[tex] 6 a_6 = -(2a_0a_5 - 2a_1a_4 - 2a_2a_3)[/tex]
and you can solve for [tex]a_6[/tex] from the previous coefficients you know.

You should see a pattern after a while.
 
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I had done it the way suggested by loveequation, and you do end up with a pattern after you equate for the [tex]x^2[/tex] coefficient. I spent a couple of hours trying to find another way and was unsuccessful. The recurrence relation we obtain for the coefficients is not nice at all, but would be computable, given some initial condition, which would give us the first coefficient. The thing with infinite series solutions is that we almost never end up with something nice for the coefficients, but we do have a series that will allow us to compute approximations as close to the actual solution as we want. Good for engineering applications.
 
javicg said:
I have to solve the nonlinear DE y'=x²-y² by using an infinite series expansion y=[tex]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n x^n[/tex], but I've tried in vain. Maybe a change of variables would make it easier, but I don't know which one.

Thanks

Look like the equation is a special riccati equation. I had similar problem in the past and manage to get help from fellow PF.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=221644
 
matematikawan said:
Look like the equation is a special riccati equation. I had similar problem in the past and manage to get help from fellow PF.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=221644

Okay,when I use a riccati substitution I get
[tex] \frac{d^2u}{dx^2} - x^2u = 0[/tex]
But now how to solve this? If I use a series expansion on this I get a solution, but it has a rather ugly recurrence relation. Maybe there is another way to solve this particular ODE, and I am totally brain farting on it.
 
I do not expect that the recurrence relation will be nice in this case, although the transformed equation is.

The one that I solved before
[tex]\frac{d^2u}{dx^2} + x^2u = 0[/tex]
contain Bessel functions of the first and second kind as closed form.

I suspect that the equation you are solving
[tex]\frac{d^2u}{dx^2} - x^2u = 0[/tex]
will have modified Bessel functions for closed form solution.
 
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