How does the value of r* affect the ΔG vs r curve for heterogenous nucleation?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the critical radius (r*) and the free-energy change (ΔG) in heterogeneous nucleation. The equation for ΔG includes terms for volume free energy change, surface energy, and dislocation energy, leading to a complex curve when plotted against r. Participants are trying to clarify how to derive r* and understand the implications of the ln(r) term in the ΔG equation. There is a focus on differentiating ΔG with respect to r to find critical points, highlighting concerns about the complexity compared to homogeneous nucleation. Understanding these relationships is essential for accurately sketching the ΔG vs r curve and determining the behavior of nucleation under varying conditions.
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Homework Statement


A cylindrical pill-like solid cluster of radius r nucleates from the vapor phase on a dislocation that emerges from the substrate. The free-energy change per unit thickness is given by
\Delta G = \pi r^2 \Delta G_v + 2 \pi r \gamma + A - B lnr
Where A - Blnr represents the dislocation energy within the cluster.

a) Sketch ## \Delta G ## vs ## r ##
b) Determine the value of r*
c) Show that when ## | \Delta G_v | B / \pi \gamma^2 > 1/2 ##, ## \Delta G_v ## monotonically decreases with r, and when ## | \Delta G_v | B / \pi \gamma^2 < 1/2 ##, there is a turnaround in the ## \Delta G ## vs ## r ## curve.

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For r*, I got r* = \frac{-2 \pi \gamma \pm \sqrt{4 \pi^2 \gamma^2 + 8 \pi \Delta G_v B}}{4 \pi \Delta G_v}

I don't exactly know how to plot ## \Delta G ## vs ## r ## for this heterogenous nucleation with the natural log function in there. I also don't really understand part c, but I think that's because I have part b wrong. Any help/input would be greatly appreciated.
 
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muskie25 said:
For r*, I got r* = \frac{-2 \pi \gamma \pm \sqrt{4 \pi^2 \gamma^2 + 8 \pi \Delta G_v B}}{4 \pi \Delta G_v}
It is not clear how you arrived at this. What happened to the ##lnr## from your top equation? How does r* differ from r?

I don't know about the physics in this question, but looking at the maths you can take a factor outside the radical:

r*=\frac{ -2 \pi \gamma \pm 2\pi\gamma\sqrt{1 + \dfrac{2\Delta G_v B} {\pi\gamma^2}}} {4 \pi \Delta G_v}
 
NascentOxygen said:
It is not clear how you arrived at this. What happened to the ##lnr## from your top equation? How does r* differ from r?

I don't know about the physics in this question, but looking at the maths you can take a factor outside the radical:

r*=\frac{ -2 \pi \gamma \pm 2\pi\gamma\sqrt{1 + \dfrac{2\Delta G_v B} {\pi\gamma^2}}} {4 \pi \Delta G_v}

To find the critical radius, you take \frac{ d\Delta G}{dr} = 0 and solve for r. The reason that I am concerned is due to the fact other solutions that I have found (homogeneous nucleation) are much more simple.
 
Your first equation shows ΔG in terms of r2 and r. If you differentiate this to find dΔG/dr the result won't contain an r2 term.
 
NascentOxygen said:
Your first equation shows ΔG in terms of r2 and r. If you differentiate this to find dΔG/dr the result won't contain an r2 term.

Right, but I multiplied through by r to get rid of the 1/r that comes from differentiating the ln term.
 
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