Observer Sees When I Throw Ball at Speed of Light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the scenario of an observer witnessing a ball being thrown at high speed, specifically when the thrower is moving at the speed of light relative to the observer. The conversation explores the implications of relativistic velocity addition and the behavior of light in this context.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant poses a question about what an observer would see if they were moving at the speed of light and threw a ball.
  • Another participant provides a formula for the velocity of the ball as observed, using the relativistic velocity addition formula: ##v= \frac{u+w}{1+\frac{uw}{c^2}}##, where ##u## is the thrower's speed and ##w## is the ball's speed relative to the thrower.
  • A further elaboration on the formula simplifies it under the assumption of measuring time in seconds and distances in light-seconds, leading to a modified equation: ##v=\frac{u+w}{1+uw}##.
  • The discussion also touches on the behavior of light when considering a light beam emitted straight ahead, questioning its speed relative to the observer when the thrower is moving at the speed of light.
  • A clarification is made regarding the definition of ##w## as the speed at which the ball is thrown relative to the thrower.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus, as it primarily consists of different contributions and clarifications without resolving the implications of the scenario posed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion assumes a hypothetical scenario involving speeds approaching that of light, which may not align with physical reality. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the behavior of light and the implications of relativistic effects.

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If I were of speed 299 792 457 m/s relative to an observer and throw a ball, what would the observer see?
 
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The observer would see the ball go very fast, with velocity ##v= \frac{u+w}{1+\frac{uw}{c^2}}## where ##u## and ##w## are yours and the ball's speed respectively.
 
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Aniruddha@94 said:
The observer would see the ball go very fast, with velocity ##v= \frac{u+w}{1+\frac{uw}{c^2}}## where ##u## and ##w## are yours and the ball's speed respectively.

...where ##u## is your speed relative to the observer and ##w## is the speed at which you throw the ball relative to you.
You can simplify the formula a bit by choosing to measure time in seconds and distances in light-seconds so ##c=1## (light-second per second), dividing by ##c^2## is just dividing by one so we can ignore it, and the formula becomes ##v=\frac{u+w}{1+uw}##.

It's an interesting exercise to consider what would happen if you were shining a light straight ahead - we'd set ##w## to ##c## because that's the speed of the light beam relative to you. What is its speed relative to the observer?

(Aniruddha already knows all this, I'm adding it for other people following this thread).
 
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Nugatory said:
w is the speed at which you throw the ball relative to you
Oops! Forgot to mention that.
 

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