ODE Hooke's Law, V(x) instead of V(t)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a mass-spring system where a 50kg mass is attached to a spring and extended from its resting length. The task is to derive an ordinary differential equation (ODE) for the velocity as a function of position, rather than time, and to solve this ODE under specific conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the ODE, with one noting the prohibition against second-order methods. There is an exploration of the relationship between velocity and position, and attempts to derive the ODE using the chain rule. Questions arise regarding the periodic nature of the solution and the implications of the spring's behavior.

Discussion Status

Some participants have proposed equations and are working through their reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the need to integrate to find a solution, and the discussion is focused on ensuring the correct application of concepts related to velocity and position.

Contextual Notes

Participants are constrained by the requirement to avoid second-order methods and are exploring the implications of this restriction on their approach to solving the problem.

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Homework Statement


A 50kg mass is attached to a spring and hung from an overhead beam. The Force on the spring when extended 2 meters from rest is 50N. The resting length of the spring is 1m.

1) Obtain the ODE to solve for the velocity as a function of position (NOT time)

2) Solve the ODE if the spring is dropped from it's rest length of 1m


Homework Equations


F= -kx, F=ma, a(t) = dv/dt, v(t)=dx/dt, F(2) = -50N, V(x0) = 0, x = distance below the overhead beam)


The Attempt at a Solution



I am mostly having trouble coming up with an equation to solve. We are specifically forbidden from using second order methods to solve. I know logically that it's a periodic function since the spring oscillated up and down once released. I also know (as per my professor) that the solution v(x) will NOT be a periodic function.

My attempted equation is: dv/dx = -kx+mg

I was able to solve that (presumably incorrect) equation and get -k/2m x2 +gx +c

Am I on the right track or have I completely missed a key concept somewhere.
Thanks.
 
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I think I may have figured it out: If my logic is correct dv/dt = dx/dt*dv/dx. Since I want a solution for v(x), I need to solve the differential with a dv/dx in it. I can get this by substituting v for dx/dt.

My new ODE looks like this: v * dv/dx = -k/m x +g
which I then solve by integrating both sides
 
blieveucanfly said:
I think I may have figured it out: If my logic is correct dv/dt = dx/dt*dv/dx. Since I want a solution for v(x), I need to solve the differential with a dv/dx in it. I can get this by substituting v for dx/dt.

My new ODE looks like this: v * dv/dx = -k/m x +g
which I then solve by integrating both sides
Yes, integrate both sides with respect to x.

(dv/dx)dx = dv .
 
blieveucanfly said:
I think I may have figured it out: If my logic is correct dv/dt = dx/dt*dv/dx.
Yup, that's the chain rule applied to v(x(t)).
 

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