Oldest Diamonds Reveal Evidence of Ancient Life

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Researchers from the University of Münster have found evidence suggesting that life may have existed 4.25 billion years ago while studying ancient diamonds. They observed a depletion of heavy carbon isotopes, specifically 13C, which could indicate biological processes like photosynthesis, as this process favors lighter 12C atoms. However, the researchers caution that their findings do not definitively prove the existence of early life; they merely raise questions about the origins of the observed carbon composition. Critics point out that the interpretation of the data may fall into a logical fallacy, as the presence of 13C depletion does not necessarily confirm photosynthesis as the cause. The discussion highlights the importance of careful interpretation of scientific data and the distinction between hypothesis and proof, emphasizing that the excitement surrounding the potential for ancient life should not overshadow the empirical results of the research.
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Interesting publication:

http://www.chemie.de/news/e/84187/

While examining the oldest diamonds in the world, a group of researchers, including Martina Menneken and Dr. Thorsten Geisler from the University of Münster (Institute of Mineralogy), have found evidence that life may have existed 4.25 billion years ago...

In normal geology jargon, this means that they are pretty convinced to be on to something. However:

Our data do not prove the existence of life 4.25 billion years ago," says Menneken, "but they do raise the question of how this unexpected carbon composition arose." The presence of living organisms is one possible explanation"

What they found was depletion of heavy 13C atoms reducing the d13C ratio to values comparable to photosynthesis nowadays as this process favours the lighter 12C atoms, breaking the bonds more easily, I assume.

However this is a typical affirming the consequent fallacy: "If it snows the fields are white; the fields are white, hence it snows.". Photosynthesis causes depletion of 13C. There is 13C depletion, hence it was photosynthesis. Not that there are many known processes to cause such a depletion.

On the other hand there are many parts in the carbon cycles with very slight fractination processes that accumulate in all those billion years which may also have caused the intial apparent depletion.

But interesting.
 
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Andre said:
However this is a typical affirming the consequent fallacy: "If it snows the fields are white; the fields are white, hence it snows.".
That's why they didn't claim proof. However, this is standard statistical inference -- observing a white field lends more evidence towards hypotheses that suggest white fields are likely than to hypotheses that suggest otherwise.
 
The "life on earth" thing is there to arouse interest. As empirical scientists we should be most interested in the results of their experiment.

I would disagree with your interpretation that "in normal geology jargon, this means they are pretty convinced to be on something". First off, the quote you have inferred this from is secondary to the actual article itself, what's more, it's not even the words of the researcher. And furthermore, the second quote you have posted (which actually does contain the words of the researcher) weakens your argument, it clearly states (as Hurkyl points out) that "Our data do not prove the existence of life 4.25 billion years ago".

I wonder, why do you feel the need to challenge here?
 
the challenge is not the researchers, it's about the reporting.
 

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