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The discussion centers on the feasibility of electrolysis at significant water depths and the impact of hydrostatic pressure on gas production. Hydrolysis, typically referring to chemical bond cleavage with water, is distinguished from electrolysis, which involves decomposing water into oxygen and hydrogen gas using an electric current. At depths around 100 feet, where pressure is approximately four atmospheres, electrolysis can still occur, but gas production volume is affected by the pressure and temperature of the resulting gases. While the mass of gas produced remains constant based on the initial water volume, energy expenditure increases due to the need to overcome surrounding pressure. Additionally, without containment, generated gases may dissolve in water before reaching the surface. The conversation hints at the potential for harnessing buoyancy from gases produced at depth for energy generation, suggesting an interest in innovative applications of electrolysis in underwater environments.
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Is there a water depth at which the gas can no longer be created by hydrolysis, or can something be done to push the depth?

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Welcome to PF;
Hydrolysis usually means the cleavage of chemical bonds by the addition of water.
Hydrolysis under high hydrostatic pressure is a common industrial technique so the answer would depend on the reaction you are interested in.

But perhaps you thinking of electrolysis?

Electrolysis of water is the decomposition of water (H2O) into oxygen (O2) and hydrogen gas (H2) due to an electric current being passed through the water.
 
Yes you are correct. Sorry, I got the terms mixed up.
 
What kind of pressures are we talking about? Tens of atm? Hundreds? Millions? Billions? At some point notion of a chemical looses its meaning and compressed matter becomes a quark gluon plasma. Somewhere between this stage and the parameters we observe on Earth surface electrolysis will stop to work (together with chemistry).
 
Ok let's say at 100 feet in depth. Is there a significant loss in the production volume of gases?
 
What is the question now?

Volume of produced gases will be substantially lower, but that's just an ideal gas at work.
 
Yes I think the question needs to be refined.
The first, and often toughest step, in scientific method is to ask a meaningful question.

Where is this question coming from?


You can electrolyze water at 100 feet - the pressure is only about 4 atmos.
For a given mass of water electrolyzed, the volume of gas that results will depend on the temperature of the gas.
If you are prepared to heat it, then it can have any volume you like.
You do need to expend more energy to electrolyze water at greater depth - precisely because you have to expand the resulting gas bubble against the pressure of the surrounding water. But you could just do the electrolysis in a specially constructed pressure vessel.

The mass of gas will be the same because that depends only on the mass of water you started with.

Once produced, if not kept in a container, the gas will escape and maybe get dissolved into the water before it reaches the surface.

Every now and again, someone figures they can generate power using electrolysis at depth and the natural buoyancy of the gasses.
Perhaps this is what you are wrestling with?
 
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