Order of classes for a part time student

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The discussion revolves around the optimal order of classes for a part-time student pursuing a B.S. in engineering. The focus includes considerations of mathematics and physics courses, their prerequisites, and the impact of course sequencing on learning and application.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests mixing in physics classes to provide variety and practical applications that may help motivate the math.
  • Another participant emphasizes checking prerequisites and co-requisites, noting that Physics II may be challenging without having completed Calc II.
  • A proposed sequence includes taking Physics I, Intro to Engineering, Physics II, Multivariable Calc, and Linear Algebra & Diff Eq, with the intention of gaining enough knowledge to choose a specialization afterward.
  • Some participants argue that applying math in engineering and physics courses is beneficial, especially for those undecided on their specialization.
  • One participant recommends taking classes in a specific order, suggesting that Multivariable Calc and Linear Algebra & Diff Eq can be taken in either order as long as Calc II is completed.
  • Another participant expresses the need to limit to one class per term due to work commitments, indicating that taking multiple classes simultaneously would be overwhelming.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the teaching quality of professors when planning course schedules.
  • One participant controversially suggests disregarding the order of classes and focusing on taking courses with the most challenging instructors, recommending math courses before physics.
  • Another participant agrees that the Intro to Engineering course is likely easier compared to the physics classes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of opinions regarding the order of classes, with some advocating for a structured sequence based on prerequisites, while others prioritize the difficulty of instructors or suggest flexibility in course selection. No consensus is reached on a definitive order of classes.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various prerequisites for the physics and math courses, indicating that course sequencing may depend on individual university requirements. There is also a recognition of the workload associated with balancing part-time studies and full-time work.

Jeff Ford
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I'm currently attending the University of Minnesota in the evenings, waiting for my wife to finish her Ph.D. I plan on going back for a B.S. in engineering, but I haven't picked a field yet.

I'm currently taking Calc II, and have the following classes left to take before I start full time

Physics for Engineers I
Physics for Engineers II
Multivariable Calc
Linear Algebra & Diff Eq

I'm trying to decide which order to take the classes in. Should I just go ahead and take all of the math in order, or should I follow up Calc II with both physics courses and then go back to the math? Any advice is appreciated.
 
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I'd mix in some physics classes to get some variety and some practical applications to help motivate the math.
 
I'd agree with berkeman...

but also critical... check pre-requisites/co-requisites for the different courses and base part of the decision on that, as professors will assuming you have taken -- or are at least concurrently learning -- certain material. Physics II, generally "E&M", might be difficult without Calc II (which is usually a bunch of differentiation/integration practice). But I think Calc III (vector calculus) and Diff EQ were both meaningless until I related it to the physics.
 
Thanks for the advice. I'll finish Calc II this semester, and then I'll probably stick with the following sequence, taking 1 course per term.

Physics I
Intro to Engineering
Physics II
Multivariable Calc
Linear Algebra & Diff Eq

After that I should have enough knowledge to pick a specialization. My wife will be done with her Ph.D. by then, so I'll be able to start full time.
 
I concur with berkeman, especially if one is planning a career in engineering as opposed to mathematics. It helps to apply the math one learns in engineering and physics courses.

While one is undecided, it would be a good idea to take as many physics courses in addition to engineering, since much of engineering is based on physics.
 
If th classes are like the ones at most schools, I would take them in this order for a part time schedule:
Physics I
Physics II & Intro to Engineering (I am sure the engineering class is real easy)
Linear Algebra & Diff Eq
Multivariable CalcWhen you say multivariable calc do you mean the standard calc 3 course at most universities? Because at my school Calculus 3 and Linear Algebra are prerequisistes for Multivariable Calculus.
 
I don't have the time to take more than 1 class per term, since I work a full time job. Taking physics and intro to engineering at the same time would be 11 hours a week of class in addition to 40 hours at my job. Too much for a married man. I put intro to engineering in between the two physics classes because it's only offered in the fall. Plus, while it doesn't look hard, intro to engineering looks pretty time consuming, with learning hand drafting, Pro/engineer, and a robot design project.

For the math classes, Multivariable and Linear Algebra & Diff Eq are the 3rd and 4th lower division math courses for all math, physics, and engineering majors. As long as you've got Calc 2 finished you can take them in either order.
 
Jeff -- sounds like you are doing good planning. sometimes if the plan allows for flexibility... you can also look into the professors who are teaching the different options... and take classes from those that you have had and feel are particularly good at mentoring your academic growth. and huzzah!.. yea!... both for pursuing your own degree and balancing things as your wife completes her schooling!
 
Screw the order, ask around and take the classes with the hardest teachers you can find. Order is not important at this point. In fact, I would recommend taking the math before the physics.

The prereq should be:

PhysicsI (mechanics) - concurrent enrollment in calc II.
PhysicsII (e&m)- calc III or diff eq.
physics III (waves, optics, modern physics)

Intro to engineering is a joke course. At this stage, you really don't have much choice of what order to take things.
 
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Ya man, that intro to engineering course is going to be really easy compared to the physics classes.
 

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