Order of elements in finite abelian groups

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The discussion revolves around proving a property of finite abelian groups related to the existence of an element whose order is the least common multiple of the orders of the group's elements.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to establish a connection between the orders of elements and their least common multiple, questioning the validity of their reasoning in the context of abelian groups.
  • Some participants question the assumption that the order of the product of two elements is the least common multiple of their individual orders, providing a counterexample to illustrate the point.
  • Others suggest exploring the structure theorem for finite abelian groups as a potential avenue for addressing the original problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and counterexamples. There is a recognition of the necessity of the abelian property in the original claim, and some productive directions have been suggested for further exploration.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between abelian and nonabelian groups, with examples provided to illustrate the differences in behavior regarding element orders.

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prove that if G is a finite and abelian group and m is the least common multiple of the order of it's element, that there is an element of order m.

My idea:

if ai are the elements of G, the order of a1*a2 is lcm(a1,a2) and the result follows directly when applied to all ai... but why is this correct and why is this only for abelian groups?
 
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The order of a1*a2 is not lcm(o(a1),o(a2)), e.g. take a nonidentity element and its inverse: the order of their product is 1, but the lcm of their orders is >1.

And yes, abelian is necessary here. (Try to find an example of a finite nonabelian group in which this is not true.)
 
I did that, that was the next question in the book =P,
D3 is a finite nonabelian group, in which the elements have order 1,2, or 3. The least common multiple of these is 6 and the result is not true.
 
Yup, that works. For the original problem try looking at the structure theorem for finite abelian groups.
 

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