Orthogonal Matrix: Properties & Conditions

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The discussion revolves around the properties and conditions of a matrix with real entries whose eigenvalues lie on the unit circle, yet is not orthogonal. Participants explore potential relationships and conditions that could explain this phenomenon, focusing on theoretical implications and examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their matrix has eigenvalues on the unit circle but is not orthogonal, seeking other conditions that may apply.
  • Another participant questions whether the matrix is real or complex and confirms it is real and invertible.
  • A participant mentions having multiple identical eigenvalues, indicating there are less than n unique eigenvalues, but states this conclusion is based on a numerical example.
  • Some participants discuss the distinction between unitary and orthogonal matrices, noting that having eigenvalues on the unit circle does not necessarily imply the matrix is unitary.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate matrices that have eigenvalues on the unit circle but are not orthogonal, including specific matrices and their eigenvalues.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that a matrix can be orthogonal with respect to a different metric, suggesting that orthogonality may depend on the context.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of having eigenvalues on the unit circle and the conditions that must be satisfied for orthogonality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the conditions that apply to the matrix in question. Multiple competing views and examples are presented, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty regarding the implications of eigenvalues on the unit circle.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific examples and numerical simulations, as well as the unresolved nature of the relationship between eigenvalues and orthogonality.

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Dear all,

I have a matrix, namely A. I calculate its eigenvalues by MATLAB and all of its eigenvalues lie on the unit circle(their amplitudes equal to 1). But A is not an orthogonal matrix (transpose(A) is not equal to inverse(A) ). What other condition or relationship may be correct for it?
 
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Is you matrix a real matrix or it has complex entries? Is it invertible?
 
It is definitely invertible. All entries are real, but eigenvalues can be complex.
 
If your matrix is nxn, do you have n different eigenvalues or less than n?
 
I can't talk about it definitely, but, according to a numerical simulation results, I had several identical eigenvalues. so, there are less than "n" unique and different eigenvalues. But, as is mentioned, I can't extend this conclusion to general case, these are results of just a numerical example.

However, if I always have less than "n" different eigenvalues, what can I do?
 
A unitary matrix has eigenvalues on the unit circle. Not sure if "all eigenvalues on the unit circle" implies "unitary" though. I don't have time to think about that right now.
 
Unfortunately, that matrix is not unitary(or Orthogonal, since all entries are real).

A unitary matrix has eigenvalues on the unit circle, but if all eigenvalues of a matrix lie on the unit circle, that matrix is not definitely unitary. that's the problem.
 
Take simple example

[tex]A=\begin{pmatrix}1&1\\0&1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]

It has just one eigenvalue, namely 1, but it is not orthogonal.
 
arkajad said:
Take simple example

[tex]A=\begin{pmatrix}1&1\\0&1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]

It has just one eigenvalue, namely 1, but it is not orthogonal.

Or even better, take

[tex]A=\begin{pmatrix}1&1\\0&-1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]

With distinct eigenvalues (1 and -1) and vectors.

It should be intuitively obvious that your hypothesis that "eigenvalues on the unit circle is sufficient" is probably wrong. There are only n eigenvalues, but orthogonality requires n2 relationships to hold.
 
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AlephZero said:
Or even better, take

[tex]A=\begin{pmatrix}1&1\\0&-1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]

With distinct eigenvalues (1 and -1) and vectors.

This matrix is nevertheless orthogonal with respect to the metric
[tex]\eta=\begin{pmatrix}2&1\\1&1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
in the sense that
[tex]A^T\eta A=\eta[/tex]
 
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Thanks every one for their useful comments, but, what about the main question?

We have a matrix (with real entries) whose all eigenvalues lie on the unit circle and that matrix is not orthogonal. What other conditions may be exist for this matrix? Or in other words, how can we proof that all eigenvalues of this matrix lie on the unit circle??
 

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