Oxygen Charge & Electron Density in Simple Carboxylic Acids

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electron density and charge distribution between the two oxygen atoms in simple carboxylic acids, particularly in the context of their behavior during reactions such as esterification. The scope includes theoretical considerations, reaction mechanisms, and the implications of resonance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about which oxygen atom in a carboxylic acid has more negative charge or electron density.
  • Some participants argue that the two oxygen atoms are equivalent due to resonance and that the carboxylic group can freely rotate, suggesting that the specific oxygen does not matter.
  • Another participant notes that once the carboxylic group is protonated, it loses its symmetry and resonance, making the protonation site random, yet the final product remains unchanged due to the group's rotational freedom.
  • A participant mentions that in acidic Fischer esterification, both oxygens in the carboxyl group can become protonated, leading to a carbocation that has a significant partial positive charge, which is then attacked by a nucleophile.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the equivalence of the oxygen atoms due to resonance and the rotational freedom of the carboxylic group. However, there is some disagreement regarding the implications of protonation and the behavior of the carboxylic group in different reaction conditions, indicating that multiple views remain on the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the specific effects of protonation on the symmetry and resonance of the carboxylic group, nor does it clarify the implications of these factors in various reaction mechanisms.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in organic chemistry, particularly those studying carboxylic acids and their reactions.

Karan Punjabi
Messages
127
Reaction score
3
In any simple carboxylic acid there are two oxygen atoms then i have a confusion that which oxygen has more negative charge on it or which one has the most electron density on it?
 
Chemistry news on Phys.org
They are equivalent due to resonance, plus the carboxylic group freely rotates around the single bond - so it doesn't matter.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Karan Punjabi
Borek said:
They are equivalent due to resonance, plus the carboxylic group freely rotates around the single bond - so it doesn't matter.
But in mechanism of esterification in presence of an acid...the proton attacks tje double bonded oxygen
 
Once the carboxylic group becomes protonated (in other words: is not dissociated) it is no longer symmetrical (no resonance). Which oxygen becomes protonated is in most cases completely random. But it still doesn't matter to which oxygen the H is attached, as the group can freely rotate around "carbon-rest of the molecule" bond, so the final product will be exactly the same.
 
I'm assuming you're talking about acidic Fischer esterification, but it's hard to tell from your question what step is tripping you up. Since the environment is acidic, the carboxyl is going to be overwhelmingly neutral. However, the key intermediate in the reaction is a doubly protonated carboxyl group. Both oxygens become protonated and the two OH groups attached to the carboxyl carbocation draw a lot of electron density away from this carbon. The carbocation therefore has a significant partial positive charge which is readily attacked by a nucleophile (in the case of esterification, the nucleophile is the oxygen on a hydroxyl group). The link below gives a good overview:

http://www.organic-chemistry.org/namedreactions/fischer-esterification.shtm

The carbocation intermediate that I referred to is given by the resonance structure in the first set of brackets.
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 34 ·
2
Replies
34
Views
5K
Replies
2
Views
3K