P-V Diagram: Computing Work and Determining Sign of Work

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The discussion focuses on calculating work from a P-V diagram, specifically addressing whether the work done is negative when the gas is compressed. Participants clarify that the sign of the work depends on the change in volume (dV); if dV is negative, the work done on the gas is also negative. It is emphasized that absolute pressure (P) is always positive, which impacts the calculation. The formula W_b = ∫PdV is referenced to illustrate the relationship between pressure, volume change, and work. Understanding these conventions is crucial for accurately determining the sign of work in thermodynamic processes.
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Homework Statement


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I have plotted the info as such

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I can compute the work by adding the area of the triangle to the area of the rectangle, but my question is is all of this work negative? It is compressed so I am assuming it is?
 
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Hi Saladsamurai,

Is your book asking for the work done by the gas, or the work done on the gas?
 
Saladsamurai said:

Homework Statement


Photo9.jpg


I have plotted the info as such

Photo7.jpg


I can compute the work by adding the area of the triangle to the area of the rectangle, but my question is is all of this work negative? It is compressed so I am assuming it is?

I can't see your diagram while I'm at work, however, based on what you wrote if the dV is negative, then the boundary work will be negative. If the dV is positive, then the boundary work is positive. Remember that P is absolute pressure and is thus always positive.

W_b = \int_1^2 PdV

Like alphysicist eluded to, it may be written as a positive value based on the convention taken.

CS
 
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