Parachutist falling with quadratic drag

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving a parachutist experiencing quadratic drag after jumping from a helicopter. The terminal speed is calculated to be approximately 14.92 m/s, confirming that a terminal speed does exist. The participant successfully integrates to determine the height needed for the parachutist to remain airborne for three minutes, using the correct integration techniques and substitutions. However, challenges arise in the third question regarding the integration when the parachutist falls at constant terminal speed. Ultimately, the participant resolves the third question by correctly applying integration principles to the motion equations.
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MAJOR EDIT: I fixed my position integral and got the answer to 1.ii)

Homework Statement



A parachutist jumps from a helicopter that's not moving. The mass of the person is 80kg, the quadratic drag is f = -Cv^2 where C = 3,52. Neglect the Earth's rotation effect. The parachute is opened as soon as the person jumps.

i) Is there a terminal speed? if yes, what is it?

ii) What is the height at which the helicopter must be so that the parachutist stays in the air exactly 3 minutes if her initial speed is 0.

iii) If the parachutist falls with a constant speed (the terminal speed), at what height must the helicopter be so that the person stays in the air exactly 3 minutes.

Homework Equations



ma = mg -Cv^2 (1)

Vt= (mg/C)^(1/2) where Vt : terminal speed

\int(1/(1 - ((x^2)/(a^2))) = a(arctanh(x/a))
\int((tanh(x)dx)= ln(cosh(x)))

tanh(x) = (e^x - e^-x)/(e^x + e^-x)
cosh(x) = (e^x + e^-x)/2

The Attempt at a Solution



i) I got this one right. I made the logical argument that if the parachutist reaches a terminal speed, there is no more acceleration, therefore (1) becomes
mg = CV^2 and Vt = 14,92 m/s

The next questions is where I'm having intense difficulty

ii) I divide by m everywhere in (1) and factor g from the right side and I get this:

dv/(1 - ((V^2)/(Vt^2))) = gdt

Integration gives me the following:

Vt((arctanh(V/Vt)) - (arctanh(Vo/Vt)) = g(t - to)

where to and Vo are the initial time and speed

Since I'm looking for height, I need to integrate V once more. I isolate V as follows and integrate as follows:

V = Vt( (tanh(g(t - to)/Vt)) + (arctanh(Vo/Vt)))

X - Xo = ((Vt^2)/g)(ln(cosh( (g(t-to)/Vt) + (arctanh(Vo/Vt)))))

Now when I put t = 180, it works.

iii) I'm not even sure how I'm supposed to integrate when V is constant throughout the fall...

For this question, my initial speed is Vt and the problem with arctanh(1) going to infinity persists..
 
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Jukai said:

Homework Equations



ma = mg -Cv^2 (1)

Vt= (mg/C)^(1/2) where Vt : terminal speed

\int(1/(1 - ((x^2)/(a^2))) = a(arctanh(x/a))
\int((tanh(x)dx)= ln(cosh(x)))

tanh(x) = (e^x - e^-x)/(e^x + e^-x)
cosh(x) = (e^x + e^-x)/2

The Attempt at a Solution



i) I got this one right. I made the logical argument that if the parachutist reaches a terminal speed, there is no more acceleration, therefore (1) becomes
mg = CV^2 and Vt = 14,92 m/s

The next questions is where I'm having intense difficulty

ii) I divide by m everywhere in (1) and factor g from the right side and I get this:

dv/(1 - ((V^2)/(Vt^2))) = gdt

Integration gives me the following:

Vt((arctanh(V/Vt)) - (arctanh(Vo/Vt)) = g(t - to)

where to and Vo are the initial time and speed

Since I'm looking for height, I need to integrate V once more. I isolate V as follows and integrate as follows:

V = Vt( (tanh(g(t - to)/Vt)) + (arctanh(Vo/Vt)))
Great job so far! :approve:. But you can simplify things quite a bit by defining v0 = 0 and t0 = 0. You don't really lose any generality by doing so for this particular problem, and it gets rid of that second term.
X - Xo = Vt(ln(cosh( (g(t-to)/Vt) + (arctanh(Vo/Vt)))))

when I put t = 3 minutes = 180 seconds, I don't get the right answer.
Try this on for size. You already know that

\int \tanh x \ dx= \ln (\cosh x) + K

where K is an arbitrary constant.

Substituting x = ay, where a is a constant, and noting that dx = a dy --> dy = (1/a)dx,

\int \tanh (ay) \ dy= \frac{\ln (\cosh ay)}{a} + K

Good luck! :smile:
 
Thank you very much =), it's too easy to forget the substitution trick for integration..

last edit: (for those who care =) )So I found out iii), I just had to integrate to x starting from ma= -CV + mg where the right side are constants.
 
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