Particle decay: Relativistic or classical?

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The discussion revolves around a particle decay problem presented in a competitive exam, focusing on the application of momentum conservation principles in both classical and relativistic contexts. Participants are exploring the implications of high kinetic energies on the conservation laws and questioning the validity of classical approaches in this scenario.

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  • Participants are attempting to apply classical momentum conservation but express concerns about energy discrepancies resulting from their calculations. There is a suggestion to consider relativistic corrections, although some participants question whether the problem truly requires a relativistic approach. Others are analyzing the energy values assigned to the pieces involved in the decay.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and questioning assumptions about the problem setup. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach, but some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of energy values and the implications for classical versus relativistic treatment.

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Participants note the absence of mass information and the potential for errors in the problem statement itself, particularly regarding the total energy calculations. There is a recognition that the problem's phrasing may influence the interpretation of whether it is a classical or relativistic scenario.

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This question was asked in an competitive exam in India.

The relevant equations are momentum conservation in the classical sense and the 4 momentum conservation.

My attempt: Classical momentum conservation would seem inaccurate since the kinetic energies are high. However, a straightforward application of it yields option (a). I think it is wrong since we end up with more energy than we started with. Initial energy is 3GJ, but final energy is 10 GJ since C has 8GJ of energy.

I wanted to know how to solve it using special relativity. It looks like information about the masses is missing.(I know that I cannot use conservation of masses.) So I am wondering whether it is possible to solve this problem with relativistic corrections and whether the answer still remains 30 degrees.

Thanks,
 
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Isomorphism said:
The following question was asked in an competitive exam in India:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/108398

The relevant equations are momentum conservation in the classical sense and the 4 momentum conservation.

My attempt: Classical momentum conservation would seem inaccurate since the kinetic energies are high. However, a straightforward application of it yields option (a). I think it is wrong since we end up with more energy than we started with. Initial energy is 3GJ, but final energy is 10 GJ.

I wanted to know how to solve it using special relativity. It looks like information about the masses is missing.(I know that I cannot use conservation of masses.) So I am wondering whether it is possible to solve this problem with relativistic corrections and whether the answer still remains 30 degrees.

Thanks,

It's got nothing to do with Relativity. The piece that went off at right angles should have ##1 GJ## not ##2 GJ##.
 
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How did you know that it is a classical momentum problem apriori?

The energies of the two pieces are 8GJ and 2GJ.

I have updated my original post.

PeroK said:
It's got nothing to do with Relativity. The piece that went off at right angles should have ##1 GJ## not ##2 GJ##.
 
Isomorphism said:
How did you know that it is a classical momentum problem apriori.

The energies of the two pieces are 8GJ and 2GJ.

If it was a SR problem, it would have said "relativistic velocity", not "high velocity".
 
Isomorphism said:
How did you know that it is a classical momentum problem apriori?
1 GJ might sound like a lot, but if you calculate the equivalent amount of mass, you find ##m = \frac{10^9}{(3\times10^8)^2}= 1.1\times 10^{-8}\text{ kg}.## The mass of the missile is many orders of magnitude above that.
 
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vela said:
1 GJ might sound like a lot, but if you calculate the equivalent amount of mass, you find ##m = \frac{10^9}{(3\times10^8)^2}= 1.1\times 10^{-8}\text{ kg}.## The mass of the missile is many orders of magnitude above that.

Or, if the missile had a mass of ##1 kg## then its velocity would be less than ##8 \times 10^4 m/s##
 
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Thanks for that clarification.

If it is classical, how has the total energy increased?
 
Isomorphism said:
Thanks for that clarification.

If it is classical, how has the total energy increased?

That would be a mistake in the question, as pointed out in post #2.
 
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