Past exam questions: BJT and Diode

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The discussion focuses on analyzing a BJT and diode circuit, specifically regarding the conditions for saturation and cutoff. The user calculates the base current (Ib) and collector current (Ic) but questions the validity of their results, particularly the collector voltage. They conclude that if the transistor is off, the base current would be zero, leading to a collector voltage equal to the supply voltage. A simulation confirms minimal base current and a significant current through the diode, indicating practical implications for circuit behavior. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding transistor operation regions in circuit analysis.
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Homework Statement



[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14490370/bjt.png

Homework Equations



beta=Ic/Ib
By 'ON' I think the lecturer means the saturation region and by 'OFF' he means cut off.

The Attempt at a Solution



a. My reasoning is Ib= (Vs-Vbase emitter)/Rtotal(6V-0.6V)/(20,000)=~ 270uAmps

b. Now if beta = 50 then Ic=0.0135A
Therefore collector voltage = 6-(1000*.0135)=-7.5V - This can't be right so the bjt must be saturated instead. It follows that collector voltage = 0V.

Is this correct line of reasoning? It seems like I have answered part c so i can answer part b; or I'm completely wrong.
 
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The figures look OK.

A transistor will not saturate at 0 volts, though. It is typically 0.2 V to 0.5 volts.
 
Thanks for the reply i really appreciate it.

d. The diode will be forward biased
e. This is my reasoning
[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14490370/currents.png
IF that's correct how would I work out I2=Ib
 
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Double post: Would Ib=0 since current takes path of least resistance?
If so, transistor will be OFF and therefore Vce = 6v, since Ice = 0.
 
So, if the bottom 10 K has 0.6 volts at each end of it (relative to ground), what would be the current through the resistor?

So, what is the base current?
 
So base current = 0. Then I1=I3=(6-.6)/10k.
Since bass current = 0 the transistor must be off (cut off region).
 
sphericow said:
So base current = 0. Then I1=I3=(6-.6)/10k.
Since bass current = 0 the transistor must be off (cut off region).

Yes. So the collector voltage equals the supply voltage.

I ran a simulation on this and got 0.544 mA through the diode and 2 nA base current.

In a practical situation, the diode in this circuit would possibly be another transistor which was in saturation, so there would be little chance of any base current.
 
Thanks so for the help, I really appreciate it. My physical intuition seems to fly straight out the window when I'm analyzing circuits; so its really great to have someone confirm my reasoning.
 
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