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News Paul's Detailed Budget Plan is released

  1. Oct 18, 2011 #1

    mheslep

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    Hard but necessary. Even if Paul has little chance there is important relevant value in this budget plan. Going forward in the GOP primary process this should force more details out of the other candidates which is a good thing. In my opinion the other candidates should have already roughed out budgets to highlight the lack of any budget details from the Democrats.

    Paul cuts outright five cabinet departments - Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, Education. Stops all foreign aid, zeros Iraq and Afghanistan war funding. Block grants Medicaid to states. SS and Medicare untouched far as I can tell; they both continue to increase. Federal Reserve budget is doubled. Hah, kidding on the last one; I think Paul plans to burn the building. In total Paul cuts $1T in year one, but, and this is the amazing part, this still will not immediately balance the budget absent increased revenue.

    http://www.ronpaul.com/media/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf [Broken]
     
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    He better close the EPA - before he burns the Fed.
     
  4. Oct 18, 2011 #3

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    Shouldn't we wait until we have a shortlist of real candidates? Then this thread won't be needed, IMO.
     
  5. Oct 18, 2011 #4
    That's probably the best reason to run this thread now - after the first few primaries - nobody will read it.
     
  6. Oct 18, 2011 #5

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    Paul, Paul... Ron or Rand? Either of them still running?

    I can see why he'd want to cut those five. If it were me, I'd add Homeland Security to that as well, as they're growing ever more totalitarian the last few years.
     
  7. Oct 18, 2011 #6
    I'm not so sure about Homeland Security - the President's changing hair color probably says a great deal about what we don't know - about security matters.
     
  8. Oct 18, 2011 #7

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    From his various communications I gather that Ron Paul considers that the federal government i) has no constitutional prerogative to do all that those departments do, and ii) does not do very good job in these areas even if it did, iii) the federal govt. can not afford it even if i)&ii) were wrong. At least in the case of federal Dept of Education I agree.

    If you were to keep those, what would you do instead to balance the budget?

    Second that notion on HS.
     
  9. Oct 18, 2011 #8

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    Ok, so 'bad things'™ are out there. What leads you to believe Janet Napolitano and the merry band of airport gropers is effective and worth the billions?
     
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  10. Oct 18, 2011 #9

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    Hey, it's so cool to actually have you on my side!
     
  11. Oct 18, 2011 #10

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    I enjoy a good groping, but considering how rarely I fly, I suppose it's not worth spending the billions on HS. :wink:
     
  12. Oct 18, 2011 #11

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    Homeland Security is many things. It includes customs (this is a HUGE concern), immigration (also a HUGE concern), they are also things I can't discuss because I am under non-disclosure with the DHS.
     
  13. Oct 18, 2011 #12
    I can't defend Napolitano, certainly didn't appreciate stripping down my bare feet the last time I flew and agree there has to be waste and duplication. However, I wouldn't want to second guess people in the know on this one - or get it wrong.
     
  14. Oct 18, 2011 #13

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    But of course these could be done by other departments. Customs was once part of Treasury, and INS was part of Justice, I think.

    If I were emperor, I'd cut back enormously on the number of federal departments. There are 15 cabinet members, plus 7 cabinet-level officers. Having a meeting with 23 people ensures you'll never make a decision. I would have:

    • Treasury
    • Justice
    • Defense (foreign relations, shooting)
    • State (foreign relations, non-shooting)
    • Interior (everything else)
     
  15. Oct 18, 2011 #14
    Don't forget the "czars".:wink:
     
  16. Oct 18, 2011 #15

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    But you're just changing the names of the departments again.

    I say to save money we place a cap of $40K per year for all elected officials. And that's based on a minimum 40 hours per week, less than that, pay will be docked. Income will be taxable. No perks. All financial accounts and monetary transations will be public record. This includes their business dealings. They're supposed to be public servants, let's start treating them as such. :biggrin:
     
  17. Oct 18, 2011 #16

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    I'm also getting rid of 11 Secretaries of This and That. I also think there is value in putting most of the domestic spending in one place.

    The problem with the $40K cap is that it will attract people who are already wealthy and want power.
     
  18. Oct 18, 2011 #17

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    Agreed.

    Not when every penny that goes through their hands (personal and business) is public knowledge and closely scrutinzed, as well as activities such as trips, and unexplained new "assets", anything of value that has not been paid for by them.

    I know it will never happen.
     
  19. Oct 18, 2011 #18
    why are you linking a pdf about boston schools?
     
  20. Oct 18, 2011 #19

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    Yep, common cause. I'll play in any band that want's to cut spending.
     
  21. Oct 18, 2011 #20

    mheslep

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    Because I knew that's what you really wanted to read. :devil:
    Sorry.
    http://www.ronpaul.com/media/RestoreAmericaPlan.pdf [Broken]
     
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