Pendulum motion and pythagorean theorem

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The discussion revolves around deriving the relationship between the horizontal and vertical components of a ball's position using the Pythagorean theorem. The initial equation presented is y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2], which is confirmed to be correct after addressing a sign error in the Pythagorean identity. The corrected identity is L^2 = (L-y)^2 + x^2, leading to the conclusion that y can be expressed as y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2]. The participant expresses relief at finally understanding the solution after some confusion. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the Pythagorean theorem in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement



Show that the relation between the horizontal and vertical components of the ball's position is given by the equation: y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2]

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Homework Equations



y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2]

The Attempt at a Solution



I know the solution must involve Pythagorean theorem and drawing a second triangle.
The first triangle has hypotenuse of length L, and other sides are L-y and x. That identity is given by L^2 = (L-y)^2 - x^2.
Drawing a second triangle, the sides are x and y but I don't know what the identity of the hypotenuse is. that equation would be x^2 + y^2 = hypotenuse^2

I don't know where to go from there...
 

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sunnyday01 said:

Homework Statement



Show that the relation between the horizontal and vertical components of the ball's position is given by the equation: y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/94066958@N08/8553595522/in/photostream/

Homework Equations



y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2]

The Attempt at a Solution



I know the solution must involve Pythagorean theorem and drawing a second triangle.
The first triangle has hypotenuse of length L, and other sides are L-y and x. That identity is given by L^2 = (L-y)^2 - x^2.
Drawing a second triangle, the sides are x and y but I don't know what the identity of the hypotenuse is. that equation would be x^2 + y^2 = hypotenuse^2

I don't know where to go from there...
Hello sunnyday01. Welcome to PF !

If a & b are legs of a right triangle with hypotenuse, c, then
c2 = a2 + b2

In your equation, L^2 = (L-y)^2 - x^2, why do you have the sign between. (L-y)2 and x2 as a minus sign ?
 
formula correction

It should be:
L2 = (L-y)2 + x2
 
sunnyday01 said:
It should be:
L2 = (L-y)2 + x2
Yes.

... and that should be all you need to get the desired result.
 
I think I figured it out!

so, I think:
L2 = (L-y)2 + x2
L2-x2 = (L-y)2
(L2-x2)1/2 = L - y
-(L2-x2)1/2 = - L + y
L -(L2-x2)1/2 = y

I think that's it! Having to crop a picture for this question made me focus only on the variables I needed in the diagram.

I see the solution now is really simple, I feel silly for not seeing it sooner. Thank you for being so nice about it!
 
Kindly see the attached pdf. My attempt to solve it, is in it. I'm wondering if my solution is right. My idea is this: At any point of time, the ball may be assumed to be at an incline which is at an angle of θ(kindly see both the pics in the pdf file). The value of θ will continuously change and so will the value of friction. I'm not able to figure out, why my solution is wrong, if it is wrong .
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