Permittivity values in conductors

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When electric current density exceeds displacement current in a conductor, the permittivity value approaches ε≈-jσ/ω. This relationship arises from the equations governing electric current density (J=σE) and displacement current density (J_d=jωD=jωεE). The equality ωε=σ indicates that this condition occurs at high frequencies where the magnitudes of both currents are equal. The discussion also touches on the interpretation of the negative sign in the equation, clarifying that it reflects losses in the imaginary part of the permittivity. Understanding these concepts is crucial for mastering electrodynamics in electronics engineering.
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Hello All,

I am a masters student in electronics engg and reading technical electrodynamics. Please let me know when the electric current density becomes more than the displacement current (for a conductor ) why is the value of ε≈-jσ/ω

Quick replies will be highly appreciated!

Thanks and Regards,

ksnf3000
 
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ksnf3000 said:
Hello All,

I am a masters student in electronics engg and reading technical electrodynamics. Please let me know when the electric current density becomes more than the displacement current (for a conductor ) why is the value of ε≈-jσ/ω

Quick replies will be highly appreciated!

Thanks and Regards,

ksnf3000

High ksnf3000,

electric current density :

J=σE

displacement current density :

J_{d}=\frac{\partial D}{\partial t}

for a steady stead sinusoidal field,

J_{d}=jωD=jωεE

the ratio is \frac{ωε}{σ}

when ωε=σ, the magnitudes become the same. Considering typical values of the parameters, this happen at very high frequencies.

I hope that helps.
 
Thanks for your reply Hassan2.

The negative sign indicates the loss the imaginary part suffers, right??
 
ksnf3000 said:
Thanks for your reply Hassan2.

The negative sign indicates the loss the imaginary part suffers, right??

that j is not supposed to be there. The parameters are real, so, the right hand side must be real too. When comparing their magnitudes, j and also -1 becomes 1.
 
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