Please help calculate flowrate frm blower to push water down

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The discussion revolves around calculating the flow rate required from a blower to push water down in a closed chamber for a wave pool project. Participants explore the necessary parameters and formulas to determine the flow rate needed to achieve a specific water velocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries how to calculate the flow rate needed to push water down by 1.25 m in one second, providing specific dimensions and pressure of the blower.
  • Another participant indicates that there is insufficient information to understand what is meant by "push water down," suggesting that blowing air typically causes splashing rather than controlled movement.
  • A participant clarifies that the blower is not directly facing the water surface and that the chamber is airtight, with a connection to a larger pond.
  • Further clarification is provided that the goal is to lower the height of the water in the chamber without causing splashing.
  • One participant suggests using Bernoulli's equation to relate pressure to flow rate, while questioning the clarity of the problem statement regarding the intended movement of water.
  • Another participant proposes using Newton's laws to determine the pressure needed to achieve a specific water-level difference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the provided information and the clarity of the problem. There is no consensus on the specific approach or formulas to be used for calculating the flow rate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the information provided, including unclear definitions of terms and the specific mechanics of how the blower interacts with the water. The discussion remains focused on theoretical approaches without resolving the mathematical steps needed for a solution.

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How to calculate how much flowrate from blower i can push water pool 2,75m*1,8m down by 1,25m in 1 sec?

Note : Blower Pressure 0.03 bar - 0.035 bar
There is an empty room above the water pool with dimension of 2.75m*1.8m*1.7m
This process happen in a closed chamber.
For wavepool project

Thank you very much ! :)
 
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Not enough information.

What do you mean by "push water down"?
Generally, blowing air at a pool of water will make it splash about.
 
the blower are not directly facing the surface of water, the chamber is airtight, but there is a hole below the chamber linking it to a bigger pond with same height as the water inside the chamber.

simulated already, but we need the precise blower specification for the real one.
 
sorry, my point is the water is not splashed
 
Still not possible to get blower specs from information provided.
 
no need for full specs, i mean just to get the flow rate of blower to get the water down at the rate of 1.25 m/s
There is already information of :

surface area of water = 2,75m*1,8m
designated velocity = 1.25 m/s
with the temperature of 20 degree Celsius ( room temperature)
Pressure of the blower = 0.03 bar - 0.035 bar

Can i use the formula of volumetric flow rate to solve this? or can you please tell me the common formula used for similar problem?
and are the formulas like Q=AV , or rho=P/R.T, and bernoulli's principle can be used for air or just for liquid?

thanks
 
To do pressure to flow rate you'd normally use something like Bournoulli's equation.

All we know is you have some pool of some surface area connected somehow to another pool with another surface area and you want to do something (it is unclear what you mean by "get the water down at the rate of 1.25m/s". i.e. down what? Down the adjoining pipe? Down below it's original level?) involving the flow of water from someplace to someplace else. I'm kinda guessing you want to lower the height of one pool ... thus raising the height of the other one?
So the pressure needed on one end, times the area at that end, has to support the weight of water above the reduced water-level?
You intend to use a blower to increase the pressure in one chamber?
 
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This is a picture i took from internet that describes my problem the most
It's exactly the same, only without part no.6 ( cover)

In no.34, there are 2 holes for air to go inside ( from blower ) and go outside

I use 6 chambers(no.24) using paralleled air flow from one blower but I'm guessing the flow rate are the same for each chamber.

The surface area of water = 2,75 m*1,8 m ( inside one chamber)

push the water down means to lower the height of the water inside the chamber ( yes)

if needed, the hole (no.30) 's dimension is 2,75 m * 0,7 m
 
OK, you can probably do that just by Newton's laws ... try working it out the pressure needed in the chamber (24) to get a particular water-level difference and you'll start to see what's involved.
 

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