Please help: determining infinitely many solutions in a matrix

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter kdubb22
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Matrix
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the value of k in a system of linear equations that would result in infinitely many solutions. Participants explore the implications of the number of equations relative to the number of variables and the conditions under which a system can have unique, infinitely many, or no solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the system can have infinitely many solutions because the number of equations equals the number of variables, but is unsure how to find the appropriate value of k.
  • Another participant explains that determining the existence of solutions involves checking the determinant and describes the outcomes of row reducing the system.
  • A different participant identifies k = -4.5 as a value that results in no solutions and expresses difficulty in continuing the row reduction process to find k for infinitely many solutions.
  • The same participant describes their row reduction steps but struggles with manipulating k to achieve the desired outcome in the solution.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to find a value for k that would lead to infinitely many solutions, indicating uncertainty in the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to finding k, with some focusing on the determinant and others on row reduction techniques. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific value of k that would yield infinitely many solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of row reduction and the conditions under which a system can have unique, infinitely many, or no solutions, but do not reach a consensus on the method or specific value of k needed for infinitely many solutions.

kdubb22
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Given the system of equations in x and y:
2x-3y=12
3x+ky=10
Could you choose k so the system had infinitely many solutions? If so, give k. If not, why not?

I'm pretty sure that it CAN have infinitely many solutions because the number of equations is equal to the number of variables in the system. I'm just not sure how to find the value of k that would make this true. If anyone has any helpful ideas I'd REALLY appreciate it!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
kdubb22 said:
Given the system of equations in x and y:
2x-3y=12
3x+ky=10
Could you choose k so the system had infinitely many solutions? If so, give k. If not, why not?

I'm pretty sure that it CAN have infinitely many solutions because the number of equations is equal to the number of variables in the system. I'm just not sure how to find the value of k that would make this true. If anyone has any helpful ideas I'd REALLY appreciate it!

Hello kdubb22 and welcome to the forums.

A quick way of determining if a system of equations with n equations and n variables has a unique solution is if the determinant is non-zero.

However you have to be careful about using the determinant result.

In a linear system like this, you can have three outcomes: unique solution, infinitely many solutions or no solutions.

The unique case is straightforward. However for testing if something has no solutions you will end with a row reduced system that looks something like this:

[ 1 3 | 2]
[ 0 0 | 1]

The bottom row is full of zeros, but the right hand side is non-zero: in this case the system has no solutions. If however after you row reduce your linear system and you get a corresponding zero on the right hand side, and you have a non-zero determinant, you know that you must have infinitely many solutions.

As for your question, your best bet is to start from an augmented matrix description of your linear system, and then row reduce. After you put it in this form, you will be able to find the right k that will give you the unique, infinite, or null solution case.

So to start you off here is your starting matrix:

[2 -3 | 12]
[3 k | 10]
 
Thank you for your response! Yeah the first part of the problem was to find the value of k that made the system have no solution. I found it to be k=-4.5.
This is where I'm stumped. I start working through the matrix but when I get to the step where I have to convert k into 1 I don't know how to continue. This is as far as I get:

[2 -3 l 12] 1/2 R1 ->[1 -3/2 l 6] R2+(-3)R1 -> [1 -3/2 l 6] 1/k R2-> [1 -3/2 l 6]
[3 k l 10] [3 k l 10] [0 k l -26] [0 0 l -26/k]

I hope that makes sense. I actually get a further than this but its hard to type it in because its abnormal. I didn't type in my actual work btw steps but if you're confused I will. So obviously instead of making k a 1, I would divide the row by a number that makes k 0 because I want to find its value in an infinitely many solution. After the last step I showed I would then make the -3/2 in row 1 equal 0 by multiplying row 2 by 3/2 and adding that to row 1 (R1 + 3/2R2). After all that, I can't complete the problem because I can't calculate the solution. The solution to R2 ends up being (3/2)-26/k, so 3/2 times -26 divided by k.

So how am I supposed to find the number that will make -26 do all those things and end up equalling 0? do i just guess and randomly plug in numbers?
 
Wow my row reductions posted really off. If you just space over the bottom ones, each bracket set goes with its corresponding one above. Sorry about that!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
5K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K