Pointwise convergence for all real x

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The discussion revolves around the pointwise convergence of the series $$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx)$$ for all real values of x. Participants are exploring the conditions under which this series converges and the implications of specific values of x on convergence.

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  • Participants are questioning the definition of pointwise convergence and whether plugging in specific values of x, such as x=pi/2, can demonstrate divergence. There is also discussion about the conditions under which the series converges, particularly focusing on the behavior of the sine function and the implications of the alternating series test.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the convergence criteria and raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the terms of the series. Some have pointed out the need for caution regarding the application of the alternating series test due to the nature of the terms involved.

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There is a mention of the series diverging for certain values of x, and the need to establish whether this divergence holds for all real x. Participants are also considering the implications of specific substitutions and transformations of the series terms.

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Homework Statement
pointwise convergence of a series
Relevant Equations
$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx) $$
How do I know whether or not the series
$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx)$$

converges pointwise for all real x or not?

By the way am I right in thinking that converging pointwise for all real x means whatever x i plug into the series it converges to some finite value?

I was thinking if i plug in x=pi/2 then I'd get

$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin^2(\frac{n\pi}{2}) $$

Which diverges, does that prove that the series doesn't converge pointwise for all x?
 
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lys04 said:
How do I know whether or not the series
$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx)$$

converges pointwise for all real x or not?
You either show that it does or find a way to show that it does not.


lys04 said:
By the way am I right in thinking that converging pointwise for all real x means whatever x i plug into the series it converges to some finite value?
Yes.

lys04 said:
I was thinking if i plug in x=pi/2 then I'd get

$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin^2(\frac{n\pi}{2}) $$

Which diverges, does that prove that the series doesn't converge pointwise for all x?
Yes.
 
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lys04 said:
Homework Statement: pointwise convergence of a series
Relevant Equations: $$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx) $$

How do I know whether or not the series
$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx)$$

converges pointwise for all real x or not?
Note that ##\sin(\frac{n\pi}{2}) = 0## if ##n## is even and alternates between ##\pm1## if ##n## is odd. Using the alternating series test, ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})a_n## converges iff ##a_n \to 0## for odd ##n##.

In this case, the series converges iff ##\sin((2n+1)x) \to 0## as ##n \to \infty##. That's only the case when ##x = k\pi## for some integer ##k##. Although, it's not that easy from first principles to prove that it does not converge for any other ##x##. You found a good example,
 
PeroK said:
In this case, the series converges iff ##\sin((2n+1)x) \to 0## as ##n \to \infty##. That's only the case when ##x = k\pi## for some integer ##k##. Although, it's not that easy from first principles to prove that it does not converge for any other ##x##. You found a good example,
The series expansion of the sine function can help. Not really first principles but at least in the realm of the question.

Another idea is to substitute ##y=x-(\pi/2)## which turns the series members into ##\sin^2(n \pi /2)\cos(ny)## which reduces the question to: Under what circumstances does ##\sum \sin^2(n \pi /2)\cos(ny)## converge, if ##\sum \sin^2(n \pi /2)## diverges?

One should also keep the Weierstraß- or half-angle substitution in mind whenever it comes to trig functions and integrals or sums.
 
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PeroK said:
Note that ##\sin(\frac{n\pi}{2}) = 0## if ##n## is even and alternates between ##\pm1## if ##n## is odd. Using the alternating series test, ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})a_n## converges iff ##a_n \to 0## for odd ##n##.

One small point, we don't actually know the ##a_n## are positive in this question so the alternating test doesn't work.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
One small point, we don't actually know the ##a_n## are positive in this question so the alternating test doesn't work.
Yes, well spotted.
 

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