Pointwise convergence for all real x

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The series $$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx)$$ converges pointwise for all real x only when x is an integer multiple of π. For values like x=π/2, the series diverges, indicating it does not converge pointwise for all x. The convergence relies on the behavior of the sine function, specifically that $$\sin((2n+1)x)$$ approaches zero as n increases, which only occurs at specific values of x. The alternating series test is not applicable here since the terms are not guaranteed to be positive. Overall, the series converges conditionally based on the value of x chosen.
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Homework Statement
pointwise convergence of a series
Relevant Equations
$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx) $$
How do I know whether or not the series
$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx)$$

converges pointwise for all real x or not?

By the way am I right in thinking that converging pointwise for all real x means whatever x i plug into the series it converges to some finite value?

I was thinking if i plug in x=pi/2 then I'd get

$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin^2(\frac{n\pi}{2}) $$

Which diverges, does that prove that the series doesn't converge pointwise for all x?
 
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lys04 said:
How do I know whether or not the series
$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx)$$

converges pointwise for all real x or not?
You either show that it does or find a way to show that it does not.


lys04 said:
By the way am I right in thinking that converging pointwise for all real x means whatever x i plug into the series it converges to some finite value?
Yes.

lys04 said:
I was thinking if i plug in x=pi/2 then I'd get

$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin^2(\frac{n\pi}{2}) $$

Which diverges, does that prove that the series doesn't converge pointwise for all x?
Yes.
 
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lys04 said:
Homework Statement: pointwise convergence of a series
Relevant Equations: $$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx) $$

How do I know whether or not the series
$$ \sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})sin(nx)$$

converges pointwise for all real x or not?
Note that ##\sin(\frac{n\pi}{2}) = 0## if ##n## is even and alternates between ##\pm1## if ##n## is odd. Using the alternating series test, ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})a_n## converges iff ##a_n \to 0## for odd ##n##.

In this case, the series converges iff ##\sin((2n+1)x) \to 0## as ##n \to \infty##. That's only the case when ##x = k\pi## for some integer ##k##. Although, it's not that easy from first principles to prove that it does not converge for any other ##x##. You found a good example,
 
PeroK said:
In this case, the series converges iff ##\sin((2n+1)x) \to 0## as ##n \to \infty##. That's only the case when ##x = k\pi## for some integer ##k##. Although, it's not that easy from first principles to prove that it does not converge for any other ##x##. You found a good example,
The series expansion of the sine function can help. Not really first principles but at least in the realm of the question.

Another idea is to substitute ##y=x-(\pi/2)## which turns the series members into ##\sin^2(n \pi /2)\cos(ny)## which reduces the question to: Under what circumstances does ##\sum \sin^2(n \pi /2)\cos(ny)## converge, if ##\sum \sin^2(n \pi /2)## diverges?

One should also keep the Weierstraß- or half-angle substitution in mind whenever it comes to trig functions and integrals or sums.
 
PeroK said:
Note that ##\sin(\frac{n\pi}{2}) = 0## if ##n## is even and alternates between ##\pm1## if ##n## is odd. Using the alternating series test, ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty sin(\frac{n\pi}{2})a_n## converges iff ##a_n \to 0## for odd ##n##.

One small point, we don't actually know the ##a_n## are positive in this question so the alternating test doesn't work.
 
Office_Shredder said:
One small point, we don't actually know the ##a_n## are positive in this question so the alternating test doesn't work.
Yes, well spotted.
 
First, I tried to show that ##f_n## converges uniformly on ##[0,2\pi]##, which is true since ##f_n \rightarrow 0## for ##n \rightarrow \infty## and ##\sigma_n=\mathrm{sup}\left| \frac{\sin\left(\frac{n^2}{n+\frac 15}x\right)}{n^{x^2-3x+3}} \right| \leq \frac{1}{|n^{x^2-3x+3}|} \leq \frac{1}{n^{\frac 34}}\rightarrow 0##. I can't use neither Leibnitz's test nor Abel's test. For Dirichlet's test I would need to show, that ##\sin\left(\frac{n^2}{n+\frac 15}x \right)## has partialy bounded sums...