Polar Coordinates, intersection of a cylinder with a spher

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of the solid formed by the intersection of a cylinder defined by the equation \( r = a \cos \theta \) and a sphere of radius \( a \) centered at the origin. The problem involves the use of polar coordinates and integration to determine the volume of the region cut out by the cylinder within the sphere.

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  • Participants explore the definition of the polar region and the setup of the double integral to calculate the volume. There are attempts to derive the volume using symmetry and integration, with some participants questioning the validity of their results and the assumptions made in their calculations.

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Some participants have provided insights into potential errors in the integration process, particularly regarding the treatment of odd functions and the implications of symmetry. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the importance of showing detailed work in their attempts to identify mistakes. There is also mention of the need to consider the properties of functions involved in the integration process, such as the behavior of sine and cosine functions over the defined intervals.

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Homework Statement


Find the Volume of the solid that the cylinder ##r = acos\theta## cuts out of the sphere of radius a centered at the origin.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have defined the polar region as follows,
$$D = \{ (r,\theta) | -\pi/2 ≤ \theta ≤ \pi/2 , 0 ≤ r ≤acos\theta \} $$

I will take f(x,y) as follows,
$$ f(x,y) = \sqrt{a^2 - x^2 - y^2} $$

Because of symmetry, I should be able to take the removed volume as double the double integral of f(x,y) over the region D.

$$ V = 2 *\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} \int_{0}^{acos\theta} r\sqrt{a^2 - r^2} \mathrm{d} r \mathrm{d} \theta $$

After solving this double integral, I keep ariving at ## {2\pi a^3}/3 ## Which I don't think makes sense because that would be half the volume of the sphere. What am I doing wrong?
 
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DarthRoni said:

Homework Statement


Find the Volume of the solid that the cylinder ##r = acos\theta## cuts out of the sphere of radius a centered at the origin.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I have defined the polar region as follows,
$$D = \{ (r,\theta) | -\pi/2 ≤ \theta ≤ \pi/2 , 0 ≤ r ≤acos\theta \} $$

I will take f(x,y) as follows,
$$ f(x,y) = \sqrt{a^2 - x^2 - y^2} $$

Because of symmetry, I should be able to take the removed volume as double the double integral of f(x,y) over the region D.

$$ V = 2 *\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} \int_{0}^{acos\theta} r\sqrt{a^2 - r^2} \mathrm{d} r \mathrm{d} \theta $$

After solving this double integral, I keep ariving at ## {2\pi a^3}/3 ## Which I don't think makes sense because that would be half the volume of the sphere. What am I doing wrong?

Show your work after the above; we cannot tell where you went wrong if you don't show us what you did---in detail, step-by-step.
 
## V = -2/3 * \int_{0}^{2\pi} (a^2 - a^2 cos^2(\theta))^{3/2} - a^{3/2} d\theta ##
## \Rightarrow V = -2/3 * \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} a^3 (1- cos^2(\theta))^{3/2} - a^3 d\theta ##
## \Rightarrow V = -(2*a^3)/3 * \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} sin^3(\theta) - 1 d\theta ##
## \Rightarrow V = (2*a^3*\pi)/3 ##

Hope that's enough, any help with be very appreciated.
 
DarthRoni said:
## V = -2/3 * \int_{0}^{2\pi} (a^2 - a^2 cos^2(\theta))^{3/2} - a^{3/2} d\theta ##
## \Rightarrow V = -2/3 * \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} a^3 (1- cos^2(\theta))^{3/2} - a^3 d\theta ##
## \Rightarrow V = -(2*a^3)/3 * \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} sin^3(\theta) - 1 d\theta ##
## \Rightarrow V = (2*a^3*\pi)/3 ##

Hope that's enough, any help with be very appreciated.

One obvious problem is the fact that ##\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} \sin^3 (\theta) \, d \theta = 0## because ##\sin## is an odd function. This, in turn, arises from the mistake of taking ##(1-\cos^2)^{3/2} = \sin^3##. The fact is that you started off with positive square roots, then got a 3/2 power via integration. In fact, ##\sqrt{1-\cos^2} = |\sin|##. You could have avoided all that by using symmetry to just integrate from 0 to ##\pi/2##, then multiply the result by 2.
 
Thank you very much, I see where I went wrong. After using your method, I arrived at a final answer of
##V = 4/3 a^3 *((3\pi - 4)/6) ##
which is about 29 percent of the sphere's volume. Makes more sense. Thanks again for your help!
 

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