Pole Propped in Room Homework: Find Length

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The discussion centers on calculating the maximum length of a uniform pole that can be propped between a floor and a ceiling, given specific friction coefficients and room height. The height of the room is 7.80 ft, with a static friction coefficient of 0.576 at the ceiling and a higher value at the floor. The forces involved include balances of x-forces, y-forces, and torque, with the angle theta influencing the pole's stability. The relationship between the angle and the pole length is crucial, as it determines the conditions under which the pole will not slide. The conversation emphasizes the need to derive the conditions for both the upper and lower ends of the pole to remain stable.
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Homework Statement


A uniform pole is propped between the floor and the ceiling of a room. The height of the room is 7.80 ft, and the coefficient of static friction between the pole and the ceiling is 0.576. The coefficient of static friction between the pole and the floor is greater than that. What is the length of the longest pole that can be propped between the floor and the ceiling?

Homework Equations


Torque = F * d

The Attempt at a Solution


We consider the forces:
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We first have the x-force balance: ##0.576 n_1 = \mu_2 n_2##

And the y-force balance: ##mg = n_2-n_1##

And the torque balance: ##\frac{L}{2} mg \cos \theta + L n_1 \cos \theta = L 0.576 n_1 \sin \theta ##. We can cancel the L and multiply by 2: ##mg \cos \theta + 2 n_1 \cos \theta = 1.152 n_1 \sin \theta##. (##\theta## is the bottom angle the pole makes with the ground)

But from the torque equation, we only have ##mg = n_2-n_1## so how do we make the ##n_2##s cancel?
 
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What you calculated is the condition required such that the pole does not fly upward or sink through the floor. Good.

Now calculate the condition required such that the upper end does not slide across the ceiling.

If the rod was perfectly vertical there would be zero horizontal force, and so it will not slide. The question is claiming that at some point the rod's weight will cause it to slide. You have set things up in terms of the angle theta. How does theta relate to the length of the rod?
 
If $L$ is the length of the rod, then ## L \sin \theta = 7.08 ##. How do you set up the condition required such that the upper end does not slide across the ceiling?
 
Anyone can answer the above question?
 
I would assume all available poles are of the same mass per unit length.
 
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