Possible decay process for a cubic scalar self-interaction

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The discussion centers on the decay process of a scalar field described by a specific Lagrangian, particularly examining whether a single scalar particle can decay into two identical scalar particles. The scope includes theoretical considerations of particle decay and conservation laws in the context of quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the decay process $$h \rightarrow h + h$$ cannot occur because it would violate energy conservation, as the total energy of the incoming scalar at rest cannot equal the total energy of two outgoing scalars.
  • Another participant agrees that the decay cannot take place due to violations of energy-momentum conservation.
  • A different participant raises a question about gluons, suggesting that they can split into multiple gluons, which introduces a comparison to the decay of the scalar field.
  • This participant also notes that gluons are massless, which may imply different behavior compared to the scalar field in question.
  • One participant mentions that while it is possible for one scalar particle to turn into two scalar particles off-shell, an actual decay into two on-shell particles is not feasible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the decay of a scalar particle into two identical particles cannot occur due to conservation laws. However, there is disagreement regarding the implications of gluon behavior and the concept of off-shell versus on-shell particles.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about energy and momentum conservation, as well as the definitions of on-shell and off-shell particles, which remain unresolved.

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Consider the Lagrangian

$$\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2}\partial_{\mu}h\partial^{\mu}h-\frac{1}{2}m^{2}h^{2}-\frac{\lambda}{3!}h^{3}$$

for a real scalar field ##h##.

This is the Klein-Gordon Lagrangian with a cubic self-interaction term.

Does this model allow the decay process

$$h \rightarrow h + h?$$

Clearly, in the rest frame, the incoming scalar is at rest, so its total energy is its rest energy, and therefore, it cannot decay to two copies of itself (with twice the rest energy), as that would violate energy conservation?
 
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failexam said:
Consider the Lagrangian

$$\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2}\partial_{\mu}h\partial^{\mu}h-\frac{1}{2}m^{2}h^{2}-\frac{\lambda}{3!}h^{3}$$

for a real scalar field ##h##.

This is the Klein-Gordon Lagrangian with a cubic self-interaction term.

Does this model allow the decay process

$$h \rightarrow h + h?$$

Clearly, in the rest frame, the incoming scalar is at rest, so its total energy is its rest energy, and therefore, it cannot decay to two copies of itself (with twice the rest energy), as that would violate energy conservation?
You are correct, the decay cannot take place due to its violation of energy-momentum conservation.
 
But gluons can split into two or more gluons, right?

And gluons are massive.
 
failexam said:
But gluons can split into two or more gluons, right?

And gluons are massive.
Gluons are actually massless.

By the way, it is possible of course to have one h particle turning into two h particles with these off-shell. But there cannot be an actual decay of one h into two on-shell ("real") h particles
 

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