Possible outcomes of angular momentum state

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The discussion revolves around the quantum mechanics of angular momentum, specifically focusing on the possible outcomes of measuring the x component of angular momentum for a particle in a given state involving spherical harmonics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the state of the particle and the eigenstates of the angular momentum operator L_x. There is a discussion on the expectation values and the nature of spherical harmonics as eigenstates. Some participants question the validity of treating L_x eigenstates in relation to the spherical harmonics.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights on the need to express the state in terms of L_x eigenfunctions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the matrix representation of L_x and the search for eigenvalues and eigenvectors, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the treatment of coordinate systems and the implications of the wave function's representation. Participants are also grappling with the implications of measuring angular momentum in different coordinate directions.

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Homework Statement


A particle is in the state \psi = R(r)(\sqrt{\frac{1}{3}}Y_{11} + i\sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}Y_{10})]. If a measurement of the x component of angular momentum is made, what are the possible outcomes and what are the probabilites of each?

Homework Equations


L_{\pm}Y_{lm}=\sqrt{l(l+1)-m(m \pm 1)}Y_{l(m\pm 1)}
L_x = \frac{1}{2}(L_+ + L_-)
\psi = \sum \alpha_{lm} Y_{lm}

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand how to get the expectation value of L_x for the entire wavefunction through the inner product \langle \psi |L_x| \psi \rangle and how to get the Fourier coefficients for the state probabilities, but I don't see how to get the "possible outcomes". Expectation values of individual eigenstates \langle Y_{lm} |L_x| L_{lm} \rangle are always equal to 0, so I don't see how you can measure any outcome but 0 for definite eigenstates. Shouldn't the only outcome be the expectation value of the entire wavefunction?
 
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You need to expand the state in terms of the eigenfunctions of Lx.
 
vela said:
You need to expand the state in terms of the eigenfunctions of Lx.

Could you explain this a bit more? I was under the impression that there were no L_x Y_{lm} eigenstates because the effect of the operator on the spherical harmonics is to raise and lower the "m" index, a la L_x Y_{lm} = \frac{1}{2}(L_+ +L_-)Y_{lm} = \frac{\hbar}{2}(\sqrt{l(l+1)-m(m+1)}Y_{l(m+1)}+\sqrt{l(l+1)-m(m-1)}Y_{l(m-1)}), changing the basis vectors. Taking the expectation value of the entire wavefunction only leads to 0 as well, so I'm starting to think that that's it.
 
That's right. The spherical harmonics are not eigenstates. You have to find linear combinations which are eigenstates of Lx.
 
Is it valid to just take x as equivalent to the z direction (since the coordinates are arbitrary anyways) and define L_x Y_{lm} = m \hbar Y_{lm} and just solve it that way?
 
No, it's not. The wave function as written implies a coordinate system, and the problem is asking you questions with respect to this coordinate system.

Find the matrix representation of Lx, and then find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of that matrix.
 

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