Potential due to a charged plate using the dipole approximation

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The problem involves finding the potential due to a charged plate with a periodically varying surface charge density described by the equation σ = σ° sin(αx) sin(βy). The context suggests the plate may be treated as infinite, raising questions about the appropriateness of using the dipole approximation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the dipole approximation and question its validity given the infinite nature of the charged plane. There are inquiries about alternative approaches and the correctness of the dipole formula for finite plates. Some participants explore the potential of general charge distributions and the necessary adjustments to formulas.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem and the implications of using different approximations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the potential calculation methods, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem allows for any method to find the potential, and there is a reference to the use of CGS units in their studies, which may influence the calculations and constants involved.

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Homework Statement


A plane z=0 is charged with density, changing periodically according to the law:
σ = σ° sin(αx) sin (βy)
where, σ°, α and β are constants.
We have to find the potential of this system of charges.

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The Attempt at a Solution


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I considered it as a plate of dimension l/2 X l/2 whose centre lies at the origin (0,0,0)
Then, I used the formula for the dipole:

d = ∫∫ (σ° sin(αx) sin (βy)(xy) dx dy and I put the limits -l/2 to l/2 for both x and y.

I feel I may have used the wrong formula for calculating the dipole. I feel kind of stuck. Help anyone?
 
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sid0123 said:
I considered it as a plate of dimension l/2 X l/2 whose centre lies at the origin (0,0,0)
Then, I used the formula for the dipole:
The question suggests that the plane is infinite. This makes the dipole approximation a bad one. I believe you are barking up the wrong tree here and you might want to consider a different approach.
 
Orodruin said:
The question suggests that the plane is infinite. This makes the dipole approximation a bad one. I believe you are barking up the wrong tree here and you might want to consider a different approach.

Well, in what another way can I approach this problem?
And if the plate was finite, is my formula right for that case?
 
sid0123 said:
Well, in what another way can I approach this problem?
What would be the potential of a general charge distribution ##\rho(\vec x)##?

sid0123 said:
And if the plate was finite, is my formula right for that case?
No. It has the wrong units and is not a vector (the dipole moment is a vector). The potential would also only be correct far away from the plate.
 
Orodruin said:
What would be the potential of a general charge distribution ##\rho(\vec x)##?

This one?
Φ = (ρ×dV)/r
 
With the introduction of some additional constants, yes.
 
Orodruin said:
With the introduction of some additional constants, yes.

Addition of which additional constant?
And also, in my case, will the potential be calculated as Φ = (σ(x,y)/ r) ds
 
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sid0123 said:
We have to find the potential of this system of charges.
Potential at any point in space or at some particular point?
Are you told to use a dipole approximation, or just some approximation, or does it not mention approximations at all?
 
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haruspex said:
Potential at any point in space or at some particular point?
Are you told to use a dipole approximation, or just some approximation, or does it not mention approximations at all?
I just confirmed it and it says by any method.
And potential at any arbitrary point in the space.
 

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