Potential Energy of Masses on a Pivot

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational potential energy of a system involving a straight rod mounted on a frictionless pivot, with two blocks of masses m_1 and m_2 attached at specified distances. Participants are tasked with deriving expressions for potential energy as a function of the angle \theta and exploring conditions for equilibrium.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the expression for gravitational potential energy and its derivative, questioning how to find the angle of minimum potential energy. There is also an exploration of the equilibrium condition based on the relationship between the masses and distances.

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Some participants have provided insights into the potential energy function and its derivative, while others are questioning how to derive the angle of minimum potential energy. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. The need for a diagram has also been noted as part of the discussion.

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A straight rod of negligable mass is mounted on a frictionless pivot (see attached diagram)Blocks having masses [tex]m_1,m_2[/tex] are attched to the rod at distances [tex]l_1,l_2[/tex]. (a) Write an expression for the gravitational potential energy of the blocks-Earth system as a function of the angle [tex]\theta[/tex] made with the horizontal. (b) Find the angle of minimum potential energy. (c) Show that if [tex]m_2l_2=m_1l_2[/tex] then the system is in equilibrium regardless of the angle [tex]\theta[/tex]

I find that the potential energy function is:

[tex]u(\theta)=(m_2l_2-m_1l_1)g_E\sin(\theta)[/tex]

[tex]\frac{du}{d\theta}=(m_2l_2-m_1l_1)g_E\cos(\theta)[/tex]

Setting the derivative equal to zero gives [tex]m_2l_2=m1_l_1[/tex].


This seems to address part c. Setting this equal to zero doesn't give an angle (part b). How do I solve part (b)?
 
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I almost forgot the diagram. Attached.
 

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Use your intuition. If you hold a rod by the middle and attach a mass on one side, at what angle does the rod come to rest?
 
adkinje said:
Setting the derivative equal to zero gives [tex]m_2l_2=m1_l_1[/tex].

And what happens to your potential energy if this condition is satisfied?
 

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