Potential Energy of Masses on a Pivot

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The discussion focuses on the gravitational potential energy of a system consisting of two masses attached to a pivoted rod. The potential energy function is derived as u(θ) = (m_2l_2 - m_1l_1)g_E sin(θ), and the derivative is set to zero to find equilibrium conditions, leading to the conclusion that m_2l_2 must equal m_1l_1. However, the participants express confusion about determining the angle of minimum potential energy, as setting the derivative to zero does not yield a specific angle. The conversation emphasizes the intuitive understanding of how the rod stabilizes when one mass is heavier than the other. Overall, the discussion highlights the relationship between mass distribution and potential energy in pivot systems.
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A straight rod of negligable mass is mounted on a frictionless pivot (see attached diagram)Blocks having masses m_1,m_2 are attched to the rod at distances l_1,l_2. (a) Write an expression for teh gravitational potential energy of the blocks-Earth system as a function of the angle \theta made with the horizontal. (b) Find the angle of minimum potential energy. (c) Show that if m_2l_2=m_1l_2 then the system is in equilibrium regardless of the angle \theta

I find that the potential energy function is:

u(\theta)=(m_2l_2-m_1l_1)g_E\sin(\theta)

\frac{du}{d\theta}=(m_2l_2-m_1l_1)g_E\cos(\theta)

Setting the derivative equal to zero gives m_2l_2=m1_l_1.


This seems to address part c. Setting this equal to zero doesn't give an angle (part b). How do I solve part (b)?
 
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I almost forgot the diagram. Attached.
 

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Use your intuition. If you hold a rod by the middle and attach a mass on one side, at what angle does the rod come to rest?
 
adkinje said:
Setting the derivative equal to zero gives m_2l_2=m1_l_1.

And what happens to your potential energy if this condition is satisfied?
 
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